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US Coin Market On Fire - Why Not The Canadian Market?

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 Posted 07/09/2021  5:47 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add justanothercoinaddict to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've been reading show reports from the Summer FUN show in Orlando, FL and from what I'm reading it is a great time to be a seller of United States coins.

So, what about the Canadian market, eh? I have surmised that the money being pumped into the U.S. financial system has bolstered the U.S. market to the extreme, and I would have thought that some of it would spill over in the Canadian market. It doesn't appear to be happening though.

Granted, this is from a U.S. perspective, so it would be interesting to hear from some of the collectors residing in Canada. How's the economy up there, and is it having any impact on the hobby?
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 Posted 07/09/2021  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tusker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The last time I was at my local dealer he said that inventory was moving fairly easily. From a collector point of view, I'm just buying and holding. I haven't noticed dramatic price increases, though.
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 Posted 07/09/2021  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just look at the last TCNC sale a few days ago, great stuff and some ok stuff went off the charts.
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 Posted 07/09/2021  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have found that silver $0.50 and $1.00 have been going nuts, it sells quick and the harder to find stuff goes for silly prices (45,46,47 dollars). I have largely stopped buying at the moment because prices seem quite high.
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 Posted 07/09/2021  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many areas of Canada are still slowly coming out of "lockdown" mode. My LCS has only been open for about 4 weeks. There have not been many coin shows for the same reason (auctions not affected). So maybe people have not got into the swing of buying quite so much.
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 Posted 07/09/2021  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wouldn't bother in the least if the market is on fire or not.
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 Posted 07/09/2021  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes LCS are open now and starting to see some more supply come onto the market. Good news all around!
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 Posted 07/09/2021  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can talk about the US market, based on my conversations with a local coin shop that I have a good relationship with, here was the market:

As a local coin shop:

December 2019 to February 2020 - Stable prices and inventory, there is enough of both supply and demand that there is some negotiation available.
March 2020 - April 2020: All heck break loose, everyone and their mother wants bullion. There is no connection to market prices and demand. No one is selling at market. They sell every type of bullion possible.
May 2020 - June 2020: Everything is closed, they are only open to known customers. Sales and everything is slow.
July 2020- September 2020: Little buying but everyone is selling, a large group of collectors die from Covid due to underlying medical issues (like diabetes, old age, obesity). They have to reduce the offers as too much is coming in.
October 2020-Decemeber 2020: Sales start to pick up. People are buying slabbed coins and currency. ASE and AGE are hot and they can't keep them in stock. There are still some sales but not as much as before.
January 2021 - May 2021: All heck breaks loose. People are buying everything except constitutional silver that isn't selling. All slabbed coins are selling so fast for 2-3X market value, the dealer doesn't know what to do.
June 2021 - July 2021: The shelves are pretty bare, so much has been sold and little is coming in. No slabbed gold and common coins are all gone. ASE isn't in stock. Opposite worry, instead of too much stock, you have too little.

As a buyer:

December 2019 to August 2020: I'm not buying bullion, prices and stock are stable.
September 2020 to December 2020: HUH, I got one of these last month at 50% of the price.
January 2021 to July 2021: I'm just hunting for bargains. I gave up on high MS coins, everyone is crazy. Time to start collecting Portuguese currency. I can't find anything locally and when I do I better buy it that day at full retail.
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 Posted 07/12/2021  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cdncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
During COVID lockdown people had more time on their hands and more disposable income. The ANA saw a 20% increase in membership. Prices have gone up on many items on Numismedia. Within Canada I'm finding there are not as many items selling at discounts to Canadian Coin News Trends, mainly at around to sometimes over Trends. I think there's a lack of supply in the market and demand has increased somewhat. Hopefully this will moderate in the next little while, otherwise I won't be able to buy as much.
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 Posted 07/12/2021  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cause US coins are better!
Just messing with you
It's cause Canadian coins are over graded.
I actually don't know
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It's cause Canadian coins are over graded.


Mostly when it is grade by a USA TPG..
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 Posted 07/12/2021  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With the run in silver and to a lesser degree in copper and nickel, I suspect huge amounts of older low grade material have left the system in the last year or two.

An old cent weighs 3.2g. Copper is now over C$5 per pound, which puts the metal value at close to $0.04. I am sure the ARP and others are melting like mad.
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 Posted 07/12/2021  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Mostly when it is grade by a USA TPG..

That is true. They overgrade the Canadians and undergrade the us silver coins.
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That is true. They overgrade the Canadians and undergrade the us silver coins.


Maybe for circulated grades, but that statement is most certainly untrue for higher end mint state coins. Anyone who is a PCGS registry set player knows that trying to cross over grades between ICCS and PCGS is not always a sure thing.
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Maybe for circulated grades, but that statement is most certainly untrue for higher end mint state coins. Anyone who is a PCGS registry set player knows that trying to cross over grades between ICCS and PCGS is not always a sure thing.


You are right about that. I tried to cross over what I thought, was an undergraded 1935 dollar in an ICCS MS64 holder, to PCGS several years ago. I was almost certain that it would cross at either the same grade, or maybe one higher. It came back MS63. I had the same experience with a George V five cents, downgraded 1 grade by PCGS.
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 Posted 07/14/2021  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I mostly look at circulated. Mint state is to expensive in most of the stuff I like.
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