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So Are We Still Saving Copper US Cents?

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I know that this has been discussed in a few threads over the past few months, but I am curious as to how many people are still saving them. Since copper has risen a bit in the past couple of weeks, is it a good idea to continue to hold onto them?
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I never have saved the copper if the Lincoln Memorial is on the back, only wheats
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I have wondered about this myself and wondered if it is worth it. It's illegal to melt down the penny for metal (at least today). There's plenty of copper coins in circulation if you take condition of the coin out of consideration. Supply and demand wouldn't work.

You can save the pennies in a huge tub/jar/tin in the hopes that one day it would be legal to melt it down and get the bullion value. But who knows when that will happen? You could end up saving tens of thousands of pennies during that time which could have been better spent on other coins, investments, etc.

There's nothing wrong with saving the copper pennies, I guess. It's just a bit of a low risk gamble. For me, personally, it seems more trouble than it's worth. I'm still getting my head wrapped around other denominations.

Perhaps one day we'll be trading bags of "junk copper"?

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I still save them, but I am thinking long term and I am not about the money. I believe the LMC will be the next LWC after the new reverse design been established for a few years.
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jbuck- so there will definitely be a new reverse design after 2009 commemorative reverses?
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jbuck- so there will definitely be a new reverse design after 2009 commemorative reverses?


Since there are so many suggestions of what the new pennies should look like, I've heard the Mint is planning on making the new ones with 4 sides, bottom and top and all different. All of Lincolns cabinet members on each side possible.
What you say they would never fit into machines? Does the government ever care about what we do with our coins?
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jbuck- so there will definitely be a new reverse design after 2009 commemorative reverses?
From the legislation:

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SEC. 303. REDESIGN OF REVERSE OF 1-CENT COINS AFTER 2009.
The design on the reverse of the 1-cent coins issued after December 31, 2009, shall bear an image emblematic of President Lincoln's preservation of the United States of America as a single and united country.
My interpretation is that it allows for a change, but does not require it, since one could probably somehow argue that the Lincoln Memorial is such an image. However, I feel the intent is to have an entirely new design.
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When reading legalese:

"shall" = should (somewhat voluntary)
"will" = would (must happen)

From the example you posted, it is desired that this will occur, but there is no legal requirement for it, much as you have stated.
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Why not save them? If commoditites go back up and copper reaches levels it hit last spring, then maybe people will be able to sell them for about 1.8 times face ($90 per $50 face) again. Otherwise, what's the big deal about saving some of these? It's an automatic savings with little risk and potential upside. Besides, I like searching the boxes for wheat cents and the occasional Indian Head.
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My interpretation is that it allows for a change, but does not require it, since one could probably somehow argue that the Lincoln Memorial is such an image. However, I feel the intent is to have an entirely new design.


I bet that they will change it. I don't think that LMCs will become the next LWC due to the very high mintages. Ultimately, I think that LMCs will continue to circulate for quite some time (keep in mind that LWCs stayed in circulation well into the 1970s).
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I have heard rumors of the Gettysburg National Cemetery where he gave the address being on the reverse. I guess we will have to wait and see.
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I believe 2008 will be the last of the LMC. That is the intent of the legislation and the intent of the mint. The 4th era of Lincoln cents ended 12/31/2008. It ran from 1982-2008.

I prefer wheaties but the 3rd era coins (1959-1982) will be much more "collectible" in the future. The copper LMC could be the next generations wheaties!
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bherring1964- I totally see what you mean by 2008 being the end of a generation of Lincolns. But Wheaties are really defined by having a reverse that is totally different to that of the proceeding generation. In a sense, the "identity" of 1959-82 Lincolns will not be as concrete.

Also, how do you separate the 2 generations of wheat cents? Are they separated by the appearance of the 1943 steel cent?
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i am saving mine be glad to trade a roll of mostly philly coppers for a denver 1/2 dollar in the 90's :)
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In a sense, the "identity" of 1959-82 Lincolns will not be as concrete.

Also, how do you separate the 2 generations of wheat cents? Are they separated by the appearance of the 1943 steel cent?


Hi Archraz - The 1959-82 bronze, Memorial reverse cents are actually a different "type" altogether from any other Lincoln cents. In '82 when we switched to copper coated zinc cents, this created another type.

From Q. David Bowers book, The Expert's Guide to Collecting & Investing in Rare Coins : "For purposes of availability, I like to divide Lincoln cents into four eras as follow:
* First Era (1909-1933) ...with relatively few exceptions, dealers, collectors, and others did not set aside quantities for resale or investment. This era contains ALL the keys to the series and was pre-album/penny board days.

* Second Era (1934-1958) Each date and mint issue of this era was saved in roll quantities. There were no key dates except the '55 Double Die (a variety really).

* Third Era (1959-1982) Bronze with Memorial reverse.

* Fourth Era (1982-2008) Copper coated zinc with Memorial reverse.

Check you price guides and you'll note a drop off in prices when you get to 1934. It's clear after 1933 something changed, it just wasn't the coin itself.
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Why not save them? If commoditites go back up and copper reaches levels it hit last spring, then maybe people will be able to sell them for about 1.8 times face ($90 per $50 face) again. Otherwise, what's the big deal about saving some of these? It's an automatic savings with little risk and potential upside. Besides, I like searching the boxes for wheat cents and the occasional Indian Head.

That's the way I see it. Why not.
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