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Like many collectors with limited disposable income certain coins will be only a dream of acquiring. After forty-seven years of collecting, with this on my mind, I started buying world coins with either a mintage of 20,000 or less and those with low survival figures. All certified by PCGS and NGC in the highest grades possible. Surprisingly there are many, many examples falling into this range and within the average collector budget.


While I fully understand how popularity plays on the market value, I find myself wondering if someday that may change where these coins would close the gap with United States coinage who's mintage figures and value are currently far greater. Being here in the States, I've instructed my heirs that in the future if they chose to sell any of these to do so on the foreign market, at auction firms in Europe and Asia.

Thoughts on whether or not this is a good strategy?
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 Posted 07/20/2021  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you enjoy the coins you buy with this strategy, then it sounds fine.
Generally us guys at the bottom of the food chain don't have the money that buys 1913 V nickels, 1933 Double Eagles and the rest of those big coins.
If you are buying for investment only, this may or may not work out.
There might be other avenues your extra money would perform better that are entirely non numismatic.
But like I said. if you like em, that's a different story.
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You are trying to anticipate future demand for these world coins, something I would not attempt to do. That being said, high grade, uncommon coins would surely have a higher demand than common circulated ones. However, in my experience collecting world coins, it seems that some countries are simply not very popular and never have been. Other countries with large mintages (not necessarily high survival rate) have become very popular due to local demand (Russia and India for example).

One thing I do not know is now much the certification cost is relative to the coin's market value. That could play a big factor in your returns. Outside of the US and Canada, certified/ slabbed coins do not fetch as much of a premium.

I haven't really answered your question, except to mention these big unknowns (to me) are the reason I can't have any confidence in my predictions.
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If you enjoy the coins you buy with this strategy, then it sounds fine.
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Buying cheap, low-value coins in the hope that they will go up in price, under the impression that, logically, they ought to go up in price eventually, is "speculation". Which is a fancy way of saying "gambling". The lack of certainty results in the human part of the equation: people and indeed entire countries do not always respond logically to their situation.

As with any gambling event, if you spread your bets far enough, you should hit a winner or two.

Let's look at some historic scenarios. Back when the Soviet Union collapsed, people said "Now there will be a new wealthy middle class of Russians who will be keen on buying up Russian coins. So Russian coins ought to go up in value.". And they did, though perhaps somewhat slower than originally speculated. And I don't think anyone really expected nostalgia for the "good old days of the USSR" to rise so quickly.

As Middle Eastern oil boomed, people said "All these wealthy Arabs are going to be keen on buying up Arabic coins. So Arabic coins ought to go up in value.". But they never have. There simply isn't a "coin collecting culture" that has arisen in the Middle East to soak up the supply.

So let's look at some other markets. China? The new wealth of resurgent China "ought to" drive up the price of Chinese rarities, and it has to some degree, though there are still two things holding it back: the proliferation of fakes discouraging amateurs, and the remaining tendency of the Communist State to see anyone showing interest in pre-Communist China as subversive; it is seen as "un-patriotic" to collect coins of anywhere but the PRC.

Africa? It was long presumed that interest in African coinages would increase once post-colonial Africa stabilized and the people became wealthy enough. This, too, hasn't happened yet, and in my opinion likely won't within a century. Latin America, likewise.

I think your "best bet" is to seek out countries where there is a historic baseline of coin collecting, but which for whatever reason, that baseline is being suppressed by current circumstances. China is the most obvious example here: a country with a strong tradition of coin collecting that's even older than it is in the West (the earliest known coin catalogues are from China, written 1500 years ago), but where the current government's policies actively discourage it. Should the government radically change, then we would see a clear resurgence in native Chinese collecting, which would in turn see massive price increases for the classic rarities.

The other thing to remember is this: many of the low mintage "modern rarities" in world coins are not truly part of the history and culture of the country named on the coin. Large minting corporations (Franklin Mint, Pobjoy, etc) and quasi-privatized government mints (RCM, Perth, etc) use these countries as "flags of convenience" whenever they can't find local government support to legalize whatever their marketing departments might dream up. Future coin collectors in Uganda, for example, are unlikely to be interested in collecting the "Ugandan coins" made by the Perth Mint some years ago, that feature designs that are entirely Australian rather than Ugandan in nature. Australians don't and probably won't really want them either, because they're not "real Australian coins" and therefore aren't mentioned in Australian coin catalogues. So I would predict that such coins would usually fall between the cracks and remain unwanted by everybody.

Of course, people aren't logical, as I mentioned earlier. Logically, the Perth Mint Redback Spider coins "from" Tuvalu should likewise have remained in the doldrums and not soared to $2000 apiece. But they did.

That's gambling for you.
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First, I think it's noble to be thinking about the future like that.

However, I agree with @Sap that it's near impossible to predict what will appreciate and what won't, and over what time frame. In my opinion, it's near impossible to foresee today the political developments that will cause enormous future appreciation.
The world coins I bought as a teenager in the '70s that appreciated most were Victorian India, and independence era Latin America.

What will appreciate next is anyone's guess.
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This is just a hobby. Do as you wish.
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Not sure about "closing the gap with US coinage" but if you enjoy this strategy, that's all that counts.
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Lots of sound input and advice. As for myself, I'm only collecting for the joy and thrill. My thoughts were that should my heirs chose to sell in the future, the overseas market where the collector base differs from that here in the States seems sound for them to maximize a profit over what I paid. As far as what I'm collecting, historical coinage from popular nations. Irish gun money and British Empire coinage, as a few examples.
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