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2013 D Penny Questions.

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 Posted 07/30/2021  3:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add LeatherHawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey, y'all. I've been trying to take my time and look at things before posting here so that I don't inundate y'all with a bunch of stuff. With that being said, I've also been looking at Wexler's website to help me out as well. There are no 2013 D listings, but, I think (crosses fingers, toes, and everything in-between) I may have found something.

The pics are taken with an attachment to the phone magnifier until I can get my camera set up properly. I still have a couple of things to purchase for that. Hopefully, you can see what I'm seeing with the pics. If not, I will try with what I have on the camera and cross more body parts that it works.

What I am seeing is the upper line of the E in WE is elongated. There are die crack runs across the top left-hand side of the shield. The left-hand side of the Y in Liberty is fairly wide. In the initials LB, the B seems a bit thick. (The more I look at the pics, the more I realize I really need to get my camera set up properly .)

And as always, thanks for the input and looking.


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 Posted 07/30/2021  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The left-hand side of the Y in Liberty is fairly wide.


Yes that is what strikes me about this coin. I'm interested to see what others think.
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 Posted 07/30/2021  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eagle_Eye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can't inundate me.
The more people post, the more learning to be had.
Your full size picture isn't high enough resolution for me to see clearly.
The zoomed picture is too bright.

I noticed that you said the left arm of the Y.
That's the right arm of the Y that appears larger than the left arm.

I grew up in an Artist household.
I see everything from the perspective of the picture looking outward.

It looks like an over polished die issue to me.
But, I'm wrong more often than I am right.

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In my opinion, given the pics we have to work with, the fact that it's a well circulated coin and also, judging from the flow lines, a later die state, it would be tough to make a call on this. I would like to see "ERTY" with a clear pic and less glare though, I do see what you are saying. I think the "E" of WE is a hit or deterioration, could even be a plating problem. I think the LB on the reverse is from deterioration.
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 Posted 07/30/2021  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would take a guess at DDD.
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The angle of light is too low. With the light too low, it reflects off the sides of the devices. Note that on your images. Also the light is too bright. Thus making it harder to tell what is going on with your coin. The glare is often caused by Machine Doubling because the device were flatten on the areas you are trying to show us. So with too much light it is like a spot light on that area and all we see is glare. I often use a trick to show what I'm talking about:
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Note when I invert the colors of the images, then you can see the Machine Doubling on the coin. The glare hides this. If that is what you are seeing, then it is not a doubled die. A doubled die will have enlarged devices on the centers of the devices.
Note on these two images:
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The top image is the normal coin example, the lower image is a doubled die. Note where do you see the hub doubling (doubled die)? On the centers of the devices. Back to the previous image, where is the Machine Doubling? On the outsides of the devices. Machine Doubling is caused by the machine after the strike. On a doubled die, the doubling is on the die. So all examples will show the same exact spread on the centers of the devices. Look on the centers of the devices, and not on the outside edges of devices. Note on your coin, the centers of the devices are normal size. Thus the glare is hiding what you are seeing. That is Machine Doubling.
When I re-read my post, then I realized that your coin is a 2013. The doubling on the cent of today are different than the other years in the past as they create dies differently now. The doubling is see often now as distorted devices:
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More like this. Note how the devices are like over inflated bicycle tubes?
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The doubled dies show more distortion the previous multi hub dies. I can't nail down the dates as they all didn't change at the same time. So look at the sites with coin that year to see where to look for doubled dies on the coins of that year:
I see no listings for 2013-D, but there are 2013 plain listing here:
http://doubleddie.com/894355.html
That site is called doubledies.com

Another site for coin is called Variety Vista obverses:
http://www.varietyvista.com/01e%20L...Listings.htm
They don't have a listing yet for 2013 for either mint. But drop down to the 2015 year and click on one of the underlines links and look at them. That will show the areas to look for DDO's so you get the sense of what to look for on these coins.
Here are the reverse listings for that year:
http://www.varietyvista.com/01e%20L...Listings.htm
Take a look for 2013 there and look at the listings. On this site always note the 'Description' box. That tells you what areas the doubled dies are found for that die. All the rest of the images will be a normal coin, but show die markers to match up to, to determine die stage.

The third site to check out if coppercoins.com:
http://www.coppercoins.com/advsearch.php
This is the home page but to do a search on this site, you need to find the search feature:
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Then a second screen will show:
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This is where you enter the year/mintmark location/type of variety. This will pull up those varieties checked for that year.
Use this information just like a map. It will help you see what to look for to reach your destination, just like a map. If you don't use this, then what are you looking for? This will give your direction as to what to look for on doubled dies. That is the best places to start, to know what your looking for. If you have questions, always ask. Start your own thread with a question and you will be show what to look for, where to find information and help, that you will not get easily just looking for what ever. Could you imagine going out metal detecting without a machine? You would have no direction of where to dig. With the suggestions here, you will find that you are look for because you will know then what to look for.

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Lighting glare and Machine Doubling.
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