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How To Clean An 1878 Silver Dollar?

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 Posted 01/10/2009  11:57 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jd2020j to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

When I was a kid, my grandfather gave me a silver dollar which he was holding onto in a piece of cardboard cut-out, with a piece of scotch tape across the face of it. I was too young to realize or care what the date was on the coin.

I recently found it, checked the mint on the face, and learned it was printed in 1878. This fascinated me, considering that's more or less a civil war era coin in my closet.

I took the tape off of it, and there's an unattractive clean stripe down it now (where the tape stopped tarnish and dirt from building up). I ran it under some water and used my fingers to scrub the sticky residue and some of the dirt off, but there's a clear stripe still, much like a piece of clothing would leave a tan line on a person.

I figure the only way to make the face look normal again would be to just clean the coin. I understand modern day chemicals can do a lot of damage to such a classic coin like this, and was wondering if anybody had any suggestions for me.

Front: http://i43.tinypic.com/29xyxv.jpg

Back: http://i42.tinypic.com/dlj1x4.jpg

Much appreciated.
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I would just leave it alone, anything that you could use to remove the "tarnish" would ruin the coin and everyone likes original. If you did use something to clean it you would lose almost all collectivity of the coin. As a side note 1878 has allot of VAM's (if I am not mistaken more than any other date) not to mention you have a 7TF version, and you have a 7/8TF version, and a 8TF version, and even a reverse of 79 Version which could add to its value so if you could take some clear pictures of the Obverse and Reverse we may be able to attribute it with the correct VAM and tell you if it is a highly sought after VAM or not
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Welcome to Coin Community, jd2020j. I recognize that nick for some reason - do you post anywhere else?

The only other recourse you have, without seriously damaging the coin, is acetone. I wish you'd posted your question before rubbing the coin to remove the adhesive, but what's done is done.

Acetone is not reactive with silver, and will remove only organic deposits on the coin. It would have easily removed the adhesive. However, I must caution you:

Acetone is an incomprehensibly flammable substance which must be treated with maximum caution, because it will happily ignite and burn your house down.

Having said that, it can be used safely with the proper precautions. Do a Search for "acetone" in this forum, and you'll find plenty of discussion of the proper use. Please post any further questions here - we'll be happy to help - and, as Bryan said,

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 Posted 01/11/2009  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add christian_cyclist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Go for the acetone treatment. I am slowly discovering the strength of the liquid and it can do some amazing things to yucky gluey gunk.

Also, I'd like to echo the safety protocols from SuperDave. Be careful with the stuff. A splash in the eye... a fire in your face... ouch. Be careful of filling up a closed garage with vapors and having the pilot light of your water heater or something like that ignite everything to smithereens.

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 Posted 01/11/2009  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jd2020j to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the fast replies!

Here's two pictures I took of it:

Front: http://i43.tinypic.com/29xyxv.jpg

Back: http://i42.tinypic.com/dlj1x4.jpg

You can pretty clearly see the "tan line" I speak of where the tape was holding the coin to the cardboard.

I will give Acetone a try if you guys think that would work. I unfortunately don't have any of that on-hand =P. Would hydrogen peroxide do anything? I have plenty of that, and I know it's quite powerful with other tasks...

I'd not be surprised if you recognized my screenname by the way. I'm out and about on the 'Net quite a bit :).

Thanks for the help!
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Peroxide won't help a whole heck of a lot.

OK. You'll need pure acetone - it's the active ingredient of most nail polish removers and commonly mixed with other substances in that application. It can be purchased "pure" at Home Depot or the like. Acetone is an organic solvent, and will remove organic contamination (including most adhesives) from coins.

Here's how I do it. I use a clear jigger glass, round on the inside and large enough so the coin immerses completely. It allows me to tilt the coin with a toothpick to remove it when done. I use a small pane of glass as a cover - an entire jigger of acetone will evaporate overnight if not covered. You want the container clear, so you can see the progress - when the acetone becomes to any degree cloudy you want to change it so as to carry off contaminants.

Initially I allow an overnight soak, except in the case of very dirty coins where the acetone will carry off the first layer and become cloudy in an hour. After 12-24 hours, I change the solution and allow another 12 hours' soak, whether the coin "looks" done or not, to ensure nothing remaining on the coin. Acetone is water soluble, and given its' rapid evaporation is recommended by many (myself included) as a final rinse for silver. An acetone rinse leaves nothing behind, as long as there was nothing organic still adhering to the coin.

Acetone will not affect "toning." This is silver sulfide, an oxidation byproduct and not organic.

Acetone will not react with silver. It is not possible to determine if a silver coin has been soaked in acetone. You can leave a silver coin in clean acetone indefinitely without harm.

I repeat my warning: acetone is voraciously combustible. Use it only in a very well-ventilated area, far away from any possible source of a spark. Treat it with respect, or it will make you wish you had done so. Do not handle it without skin protection - some (although not myself) are sensitive to contact, and even if you aren't you don't want it getting into a cut. You've never experienced pain like it, and I speak from experience here.
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Acetone is not going to help that coin unless there are still traces of adhesive on it. The only way to remove that line is to dip it and if you do it's going to look funky. Frankly I think it looks pretty good the way it is.
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 Posted 01/11/2009  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jewellge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


That's a "tone line", you can see the the way it blends into the toning around the rim
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For acetone - DO NOT USE FINGER NAIL POLISH REMOVER.
It has extra stuff in it.
You may also try pure mineral oil - drug store or grocery stores have it. NOTE AGAIN - pure. NO ADDITIVES (baby usage). Use same technique as acetone previously described.
Soak for a week or so.
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 Posted 01/11/2009  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SecretGlitch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That coin has already been cleaned harshly, so you don't have to worry about ruining it's value.
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Quote:
That coin has already been cleaned harshly, so you don't have to worry about ruining it's value.


This is true, but we do try to encourage good habits here.
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It's not a bad looking coin. Whatever faults someone did to the coin was out of your control. Just leave it.
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Running it under water is a harsh treatment? =P I had no idea old coins were so fragile. I'd have been more concerned with the way it made it around the world prior to landing in my closet... I'd expect more damage came from pockets and casual handling than my fingers. It's not like I took steel wool to it.

I appreciate the advice. It sounds like it probably is a tone line, in which case the acetone won't really do anything. I agree, despite the line it is still in pretty good shape considering its age, and probably is best to leave it alone.

Thanks again for the help.
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No, I wasn't saying that YOU cleaned it harshly. Someone sometime had taken a brush to it, though, because there are scratch lines that are visible from the picture.
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used my fingers to scrub the sticky residue and some of the dirt off


That's almost certainly what created the hairlines showing in the pictures, or at least contributed to it, and those lines are what is referred to as "harsh cleaning." It doesn't take a brush to scratch silver. A grain of dirt under your thumb is sufficient.

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