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Edited by ratman4762
08/22/2021 6:27 pm
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The date logo seems correctly shaped, but from what I can see, it is slightly too far right. On genuine issues, the 9 does not touch the hair curl, and there is a denticle directly below the center of the 9's lower curve, unlike here. I think you're correct..
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08/22/2021 6:46 pm
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Fakes the 82 more obvious but the 89 is quite convincing.
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Does the ribbon detail on the reverse look correct? It seems odd to me they would both have what looks to be the same damage at the bottom of the ribbon.
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Thanks ratman4762
Both counterfeits
Both reported
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Neither are slabbed and for those prices they should be.
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 This needs to be slabbed (coming from someone that isn't a slab nut either), it's borderline as to authenticity. There is only a single master die used to strike 1889 3CN 3 master dies were used to strike the Proof coins none of those were used in striking the business struck coins for circulation. There are a few things I think I can see that would make this coin okay, but others that say nope this is not a good coin. I would need much better photos and unfortunately the seller doesn't have any it seems. Too questionable for me to call it definitively, but it's not looking great. You are right to question this one, especially since it's one of the keys and rare dates, all 1889 have a RPD in the last two digits of the date, easily seen on the excellent photos at PCGS Coin Facts page: https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin/1889-3cn/3758 Every single 1889 Business Struck coin (NOT PROOF) Should have a date that looks exactly like this one. From Allan Gifford's out of print book "The Ultimate Guide to U.S. Three Cent Nickels 1865-1880" Here is his description found on page 454; Quote:SPECIAL NOTE(S)1) Every known proof & business strike working die pair that was used in 1889 is included and individually listed within these variety listings. 2) A total of 4 working die pairs were used to manufacture the entire 1889 proof and business strike mintage. No working die pairs were shared between proof & business strike production. Three working die pairs were used exclusively for proof production and struck the varieties; 1889P01, 1889P02 & 1889P03. One working die pair was used exclusively for business strike production and struck the variety; 1889B04. 3) No standard (non-repunched) date business strike variety has ever been found or confirmed to exist despite any early claims to the contrary. It has always been assumed that a standard date obverse working die variety existed however concentrated search efforts have substantiated that a solitary obverse working die with a repunched date was used to strike the entire 1889 business strike mintage. 4) Similar to 1888 much of the original 1889 business strike mintage was returned to the Philadelphia mint and re-melted in 1890. Additionally, millions of earlier dated Three Cent Nickels that were on hand in bank inventories at the time were also returned to the mint and re-melted for use in striking 5 cent nickels subsequent to termination of the production of this series. 5) Every 1889 obverse working die was hubbed from a working hub that was hubbed with the modified fourth obverse master die (OMD#4a). Working hub hardening deficiencies were not experienced this year unlike last year (refer to the special notes on page 441.) Consequently the coronet beads that are doubled on the modified fourth obverse master die are also predominantly observed on every coin struck this year. Additional information and images regarding this or any master die may be found within the chapter beginning on page 466. You can download or just read online a copy of Allan's book at the NNP at no cost: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/555545"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
08/23/2021 10:49 am
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The top of the 9 looks like it was modeled after a donut. The difference between the dentils is sickeningly obvious too. This seller is as bold as the brass in his coin.
He'll undoubtedly relist them. Can't waste the narrative he composed for them.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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08/23/2021 12:49 pm
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ebay removed both for being counterfeit. Will watch to see if seller relists them.
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It didn't look right to me, then I compared it to That Coin Facts picture before I posted here for confirmation. Glad ebay pulled the listings. |
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It didn't look right to me, then I compared it to That Coin Facts picture before I posted here for confirmation. Good call! But remember not all coins come form only a single die pairing, in fact I'd say it's NOT the norm. So be wary one needs to know what you're looking at as well as what to look for. Don't always get hung up on a single thing, but always trust your gut. Then verify as much as you can. Heck even the best get it wrong some times, I have, PCGS and NGC have (at least their mistakes come with a money back guarantee), my own never did.  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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