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Why Does Acetone Keep Leaving Behind Stains On A Coin?

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Can you post a picture of your acetone bottle, please?
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I just poured some acetone directly on the coin but the stains are still there.

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It sounds to me that your coin or coins have stains on them before your acetone soaks
Yes, I am beginning to think this is part of the coin, much like the evil milk spots found on some of our silver.
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It sounds to me that your coin or coins have stains on them before your acetone soaks . If so the acetone does not take away stains , only oil ,gum and containments . I don't know of anyone else having your kind of problems using Acetone .
You are obviously doing something very wrong and hopefully we'll get to the bottom of this issue .


I just uploaded pictures of the coin before I used acetone on it. There are stains/haze on it but it is very minor. But shouldn't acetone get rid of the stains (or do nothing) instead of make it worse? A q-tip wet with acetone and a few seconds of pressing does seem to get rid of the stains but new ones form on different areas and always around the edge. After I used acetone on the coin, it started to develop stains on parts of the coin that did not have stains before.
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Can you post a picture of your acetone bottle, please?


I used Pronto 100% pure acetone. Picture on bottom.
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Yes, I am beginning to think this is part of the coin, much like the evil milk spots found on some of our silver.


Milk spots are permanent but these stains don't seem to be. A q-tip wet with acetone can get rid of them. But the formation of new stains after getting rid of the old ones is what is puzzling.
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I have never used that brand of acetone so I cannot attest to it causing/not causing further issues. I use the Klean Strip brand acetone found at Home Depot.

Again, have you considered xylene? And does anyone have experience with xylene on gold? My only experience has been with just about every other alloy/metal besides gold. No issues on any of those.
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Again, have you considered xylene? And does anyone have experience with xylene on gold? My only experience has been with just about every other alloy/metal besides gold. No issues on any of those.


I have never used xylene before. I think I would have to do a lot of research on it before trying it out on this coin. I don't want to risk disfiguring the coin.
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used Pronto 100% pure acetone. Picture on bottom.
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That looks like Nail polish remover to me . Ditch that bottle , go to a hardware or home improvement store and buy there Acetone .
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Did you try testing your acetone by letting some evaporate on a clear glass dish as suggested earlier? (with and without exposure to your gloves)
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Well, there may be an impurity in the gold that is causing oxidation to cause the staining. Just because it says it is 999.9 doesn't mean it is free of localized impurities.
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I looked up the Pronto Acetone. The Material Data Sheet indicates it is acetone 50-100% weight percentage and Denatonium Benzoate 0-50% weight. So, maybe the spots are the Denatonium Benzoate,

Denatonium benzoate (Bitrex®) has been used in the United States for over 20 years as an alcohol denaturant. In recent years, it has been heavily promoted for inclusion in household products, gardening products, and cosmetics to prevent accidental ingestions by children. It is the most bitter chemical compound known.

I know this is one of the reason you should not use nail polish remover on coins.

I believe industrial acetone found in the hardware stores do not contain Benatonium benzoate.

Just a disclaimer. I got a C in college chemistry.
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Seems plausible.


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That looks like Nail polish remover to me . Ditch that bottle , go to a hardware or home improvement store and buy there Acetone .


I just bought the Klean Strip acetone.


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Did you try testing your acetone by letting some evaporate on a clear glass dish as suggested earlier? (with and without exposure to your gloves)


I tried that on the Pronto acetone. The bowl that touched the nitrile gloves ended up leaving behind hazy stains. The bowl that did not touch the gloves was clean after the acetone evaporated. I won't be using any type of rubber gloves after this.


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I looked up the Pronto Acetone. The Material Data Sheet indicates it is acetone 50-100% weight percentage and Denatonium Benzoate 0-50% weight. So, maybe the spots are the Denatonium Benzoate,


Where did you find the data sheet for the Pronto acetone that said it contained Denatonium Benzoate? The back of the Pronto bottle said the only ingredient was pure acetone so I assumed it was safe to use on coins.

Following everyone's advice, this time I used a new acetone brand, Klean Strip. I also stopped using rubber gloves. Just dipping the coin in this new acetone does not get rid of the stains. I still have to use a q-tip wet with acetone to press on the stain. When I pick the coin out of the acetone bowl I use by bare hands but I wear cotton gloves while using the q-tip. The haze/stains are still there but less. So overall, I think the result is better than before. Here is what the coin looks like now:
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Also, can someone please tell me if the spot on this picture on the bottom where I circled in red is supposed to be a stain or is it a coin's natural toning? This stain-like spot is on other parts of the coin also but it is only possible to see when you tilt it in a certain way under light. You can't see it on the scanner pictures so I had to use my phone's camera.
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Where did you find the data sheet for the Pronto acetone that said it contained Denatonium Benzoate? The back of the Pronto bottle said the only ingredient was pure acetone so I assumed it was safe to use on coins.

It took some time. I did it at work. I can look back on my history to find the pdf. I do remember Pronto Acetone is manufactured by Eternal Cosmetics. I then had to search their data sheets.
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Here is an older thread on CCF that I talk about xylene a bit and it's differences and similarities with acetone. xylene is similar and does basically the same thing but it comes with much more health risks.

http://goccf.com/t/398235&whichpage=2#3412791

Something to consider. When using either acetone or xylene please use caution, only use them in a well ventilated area (outdoors is best) never around any type of flame or spark, try to minimize any contact with your skin, and please dispose of the left over solution properly not by tossing it into the street or just pouring it down the drain. We have a great hazardous chemicals disposal, so I put left over into a jar until time to drop it off along with my motor oil waste and roommates multi gallon film developing waste. (I know there is silver in it nut it's not enough for me to worry about). We do this a few times a year, and in our city there is no extra cost to do this, they will even pick up from the street if we set up a time.
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It took some time. I did it at work. I can look back on my history to find the pdf. I do remember Pronto Acetone is manufactured by Eternal Cosmetics. I then had to search their data sheets.


Can you please give a link to the data sheet about the Denatonium Benzoate when you have the time. I am very curious about it.
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