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1960-D Large Date/ Small Date LMC

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Really cool variety I just picked up. I got two of these for $40 a piece and am very happy with them! Also for you obw guys I talked to the seller and he said he found several of these in a small date roll.
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 Posted 09/05/2021  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lawest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice!
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 Posted 09/05/2021  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are the lines from 'O' in GOD, die scratches or coin scratches?
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Those are heavy die scratches coop. Thanks lawest!
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 Posted 09/05/2021  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well they would be die markers as well. I've not seen that on my examples before.
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I checked vv and it seems like a mid to late die stage thing. The scratches aren't this strong on their coins either.
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So a fresh coin scratch pattern. Pretty deep to alter the the sides of the devices. Someone was really getting into polishing that day!
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Here's another thing I just noticed. There's a die chip on the vest as well.
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For the money, you did well!!
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Could I get a close up of the mint mark?

It looks like its possibly rpm 100. The die scratches on the obverse are a marker and that would make the find even nicer.
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Very nice! $40 is a good deal for one in mint state for sure. Small date rolls here I come!

HGK3, RPM-100 is actually on this coin too. The small/large date variety is paired with the RPM too, so anytime you see the SM/LG date it will have this RPM. It's a part of the die variety.

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Nice acquisitions, Will and a great eye HGK3!

Ahhhh. I did not know that, thanks, CoinHunter27.
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Well done, congrats!
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A really nice variety and a great buy at that price. Congrats.
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A little education about this great variety for those that may enjoy it:

Back in around 1998 I pulled 47 BU examples of this variety from a small hoard of OBW rolls. I became quite a fan and student of the variety and have since found another 75 or so BU examples.

For education to roll hunters, Small and Large date 1960-D Lincoln's were not separated at the mint. Many OBW's and mint sewn bags often contain both.

I've found this variety in Large date rolls, Small date rolls and and mixed rolls (and one mixed bag).

This variety is known in four recognized die stages (which also means many were struck as the die was in service from fresh to near failure...BTW this is "the" fundamental way to determine the genuine census rarity of any variety). The stages are known as 1, 2, 3 & 4 and in some circles as A, B, C & D. Information about the die stages can be viewed on page 167 of the Authoritative Reference on Lincoln Cents by Wexler and Flynn.

Common belief is that the Stage 1 or A is the rarest of the stages. This isn't true. Not even close. Stage 3 or C is by far the rarest.

Your example in the images is the Stage 4 or D as evidenced by the die break in the upper leg of the 6 in the date.

The die scratches questioned by Coop are the fundamental indicator of the difference between Stage 2 or B (no die scratches Southwest from God) and Stage 3 or C (die scratches Southwest from God).

One of my personal collecting quests was to assemble a die stage set in PCGS66RED which took from 1998 to 2011 to accomplish.

It's a personal hope of mine that someday the variety marketplace ( TPG) will recognize die stages. Many varieties are worthy of such recognition.

It's a great, dramatic variety!

Great acquisitions my friend, congratulations to you!

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Thanks for the write up E G. Very interesting to hear about the die stages and the 66RD collection has to be very impressive!
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