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OK, I confess, I bought this Morgan on a whim yesterday. Saw it on a ebay with only a minute to the end of the auction, looked quick, lot's of nice frosty I thought and maybe a 62 to 64, I bid quick with only 3 seconds to spare and it was mine. After it ended I looked harder and saw the cuts on her cheek. I'm not getting this coin graded so your answers won't affect that anyway, but I am curious to know your opinions about the cuts on her cheek. If it were to be graded, do you think the cuts are severe enough to detail the Morgan? If not then what grade would you assign it. Hey, it's mine either way and in case your interested, $37.00   |
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If it is UNC, maybe a 61? I think you got it for a pretty good price though.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Price seems OK but, personally, I wouldn't spend the money to have this graded.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Post some photos when you get the coin in-hand. Cheek marks may appear worse, or better.
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AU58
The details grade possibility is a toss-up. It can go either way.
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The cuts on the face are just heavy hits, probably not enough to detail it. Either AU-58 or MS-62.
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I've seen worse marks on straight-graded Morgans. I'd call this one AU-58 and you got a pretty good deal.
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Looks AU-58. Definitely some rub on the reverse. Marks look like natural bag contact and shouldn't be an issue.
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09/17/2021 3:13 pm
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55/58 The cut most likely straight grades.
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Yesterday I posted this same coin and there were a few of you that called it 58 to 62. But also a few that definitely called it less than MS, some 58's and even one at 55/58, and also a comment about wear on the reverse. So I am not asking for you to re grade it but only asking for explanations of why you called the grade as you did. I want to learn about what you see that makes you call this less than MS, even as low as 55. As I said in yesterdays post, I was concerned about the cuts to her cheek, but I never saw any wear, none other than perhaps a little cabinet rub on the eagles breast and far lest than many graded 63's or even 64's. So I'm asking anyone that called this AU (or anyone that didn't but would care to chime in with an answer), to not just give me a grade but to explain their call and help me see what you see/saw. Here's the link to that post. http://goccf.com/t/407698And here are the same pictures I posted yesterday of that same coin.   One caveat. One thing I do see is the eagles right wing tip. I've seen this many times on many different years and mint marks and it seems to be a weak strike spot, looks worn but it isn't. I spent only 5 minutes scanning on ebay graded Morgans currently for sale and came up with 3 examples of the same flat looks-like-wear right wing tips in a 1886P MS-65, 1883O MS-63, and a 1921P MS-64. I'll include the links. https://www.ebay.com/itm/224612365233https://www.ebay.com/itm/265267281782https://www.ebay.com/itm/194357429246 |
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As I understand it, the images above are seller pics. Would love to see in-hand photos when you get the coin. Might allow us to better judge the grade.
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The main reason is I see no way the coin would have that appearance if it were just pulled out of a mint bag. The mint frost is gone in the fields around the eagle, on the breast and legs, and other high points. Same for the cheek. This suggests quite a bit of handling that removed surface so reasonable to conclude it was lightly circulated and, hence, the AU-58 designation.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Fenton called it. the missing luster around the eagle is a dead giveaway for being handled quite a bit
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 The fields around the eagle show rub. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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The mint frost is gone in the fields around the eagle, on the breast and legs, and other high points. OK, I see that and hadn't noticed before. So then can somebody explain "handled improperly" vs "circulated". It appears to me that if one is not careful in how you hold a coin "by the edge", then holding it between your fingers would impart oils and dirt from your fingers on to the coin. Is that then considered wear even if the coin was never circulated. How can a coin be considered "Almost Uncirculated" if it never circulated but is dirty from mishandling? Anybody want to touch that? |
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