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First 1936 NFLD SP Ever Graded By ICCS

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 Posted 09/20/2021  10:49 pm Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here's a real treat. The 1936 newfoundland specimen cent is a major rarity in the Newfoundland series. PCGS has graded just 3, BUT of those 3 only one appears to be SP with the other two obviously being much different from these coins... I'd say fairly confidently that the SP64+RD and SP65RB in their pop report are just misattributed mint States, while the SP66RD is essentially identical in appearance to this coin. It's not too rare for PCGS to make a mistake like this.

I sent this coin in with a one week turnaround and when I went to the ICCS office to pick up my submission, Scott Cornwall was more excited to discuss this coin than I've seen with any other piece I've brought in. He immediately let me know my suspicions about the coin's specimen status were accurate and praised the coin's incredibly well struck finer details and interesting finish. Considering grading coins all day is his job and he's seen so so many cool things, It was quite awesome to see him so excited and it was even cooler to be able to submit an issue that has eluded their holders since they opened in the 1980s.

This is such a beautiful coin, and really quite an amazing rarity. As the above mentioned pops indicate, this is one of only two coins I've seen that I'd be comfortable calling a specimen.

From certain angles this coin shows intense die polish while from other angles a soft cameo is present...and all protected under that classic RCM lacquering.

I've had fun enjoying it and studying it, but I think since it doesn't fit my main focus I shall search for a new home for this coin.





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 Posted 09/21/2021  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool; thanks for sharing Will, always love seeing your specimen specimens
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 Posted 09/21/2021  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SP most probably achieved by more than one strike, to bring up all of the design detail from fresh dies. Coin pictured certainly shows all of the fine design detail.

However, I do notice a couple of 'carbon' spots on rim, on and behind King's neck, and top of his shoulder.

I have experimented with lacquering of high MS coins, by spraying them with several coats of clear acrylic lacquer.
This preserves the red or blast white original unpatinated surfaces. The only problem I found was the possibility of the clear coat chipping. To prevent this, I found it necessary to lock the coin in a close fitting screw seal acrylic capsule.

Perhaps a TPG re grade may help it, if for no other reason that it would be better protected inside an acrylic slab. A a bonus you may get a higher grade than SP-MS-65. Grading companies are a bit easier these days for TPG's to be tempted to gain more business from slightly more generous gradings.

If it was mine, I would have it in a positive air tight screw seal acrylic capsule, to best maintain the red. The coin's exceptional condition and strike quality will speak for itself.


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Beautiful specimen for sure.
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 Posted 04/02/2023  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gangsta to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ugh, I just purchased that ``misattributed'' SP64+ assuming it's a specimen. I'll see if it is really specimen finish or not when in hand. I have a 1872 SP to compare finishes (should have similar surfaces, no?).
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Would love to see pics of the coin to refresh my memory. The 1872 will be apples and oranges, as one is struck in Ottawa during a time where they tried doing a satin finish, while the 1872 is from Heaton where they struck many different finishes, but aimed for a mirror proof.
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Thanks. Here are some photos from the seller:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/141950574997

And here is the PCGS photo page:
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 Posted 04/02/2023  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is hard to compare the photos. The detail in the ICCS coin, despite 2 ;ayers of plastic and the lacquer, is still pretty amazing. I don't see it in the PCGS coin.
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 Posted 04/08/2023  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gangsta to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey everyone. I finally received the coin and I'm happy to say that I think this coin has a specimen finish. The PCGS pics are crappy... here is a quick and shaky snap from my iphone. As you can see, the details are there.

I compared it to my 1913 CCCS MS-64 Red coin, and there are definitely much more details in this coin. Also, the actual colour looks exactly like thedollarman's coin. The finish is definitely much more satiny than my 1913's glossy business strike. Not sure how to explain this, but it makes the portrait pop out of the field with all of its glorious details (when compared to a business strike, which looks more flat and one piece design). I think I can confidently say that this is indeed a specimen strike coin.

PS. I plan to post some nicer and shake-free photos once my Nikon battery has been charged.

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 Posted 04/20/2023  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add devilwoman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW!!! that picture looks almost 3D!
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Stunning!
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