1884 Cent ICCS MS-64 Red - With A Doubled Die? What Kind?

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yontan Valued Member United States 292 Posts	Posted 10/05/2021 4:56 pm This coin was certified two years ago. Studying the obverse I found that all the hair, all the jewels, the eye, the hairband, and the top ribbon are strongly doubled. The doubling extends from the top of the hair downward to an imaginary line extending from the bottom of the eye to the bottom of the top ribbon. I've included plenty of very clear pictures, some upside down, to illustrate. What would you call this? Report this Post to the Staff

JohnWayne007 Pillar of the Community Canada 1186 Posts	Posted 10/05/2021 11:26 pm Vickie cents really arent my area, but I do think this is normal for the 1884 obverse 2 but I could be wrong. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) Report this Post to the Staff
bosox Pillar of the Community United States 1349 Posts	Posted 10/06/2021 12:50 am I honestly do not know what type of doubling this is. I am tempted to say Strike Doubling, but hesitate because there are separations between the tips of some of the doubled jewels. However, the legends are not similarly doubled. I concur with JohnWayne. I have seen quite a few 1884 cents like this and I can verify that 1882H and 1884 specimens cents look similar. Not a scarce 1884 cent at all IMO. http://www.victoriancent.com 2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA. Edited by bosox 10/06/2021 12:51 am Report this Post to the Staff
cdngmt Valued Member Canada 402 Posts	Posted 10/06/2021 02:14 am I just would call it a beautiful coin....enjoy Report this Post to the Staff
Earle42 Bedrock of the Community United States 10034 Posts	Posted 10/06/2021 10:25 am Just as a help, a "doubled die" refers to a specific doubled image on the die itself. Machine Doubling etc. coins are not from doubled dies and simply show another form of doubling. How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2 Report this Post to the Staff
okiecoiner Pillar of the Community Canada 5585 Posts	Posted 10/06/2021 4:51 pm I looked at about 10 1884 Obv 2's and none had the MD. Maybe the OP's coin was struck with the specimen dies that bosox spoke of. I also think that the OP's coin is machine/mechanical doubling where the die is a little loose in it's holder and moves slightly in the nanosecond after the strike as the die is raising up from the newly struck planchet. Report this Post to the Staff
yontan Valued Member United States 292 Posts	Posted 10/06/2021 11:49 pm well, I did ask for an explanation, and I think okiecoiners' is the most plausible. I had just never seen anything that unusual - where a portion of only the center of the coin was so obviously jarred without touching any part of the rest of the coin. Thanks to all of you. Report this Post to the Staff
bosox Pillar of the Community United States 1349 Posts	Posted 10/07/2021 12:58 am Pretty sure (but not positive) it has to be Strike Doubling. Here are three 1882-H specimen cents. I think all were struck with the same obverse die, but perhaps at different times. #1 The Cook coin, not much doubling: https://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/wor...bnail-071515 #2 The Belzberg coin, now mine, again not much doubling: https://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/wor...bnail-071515 #3 the Beckman coin, now also mine, lots of doubling: https://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/wor...bnail-071515 I have seen other similar doubling on circulation cents. http://www.victoriancent.com 2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA. Edited by bosox 10/07/2021 01:01 am Report this Post to the Staff
bosox Pillar of the Community United States 1349 Posts	Posted 10/07/2021 01:06 am One more - the Cornerstone coin, with doubling. https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/vict...=30114&h=pop http://www.victoriancent.com 2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA. Report this Post to the Staff
okiecoiner Pillar of the Community Canada 5585 Posts	Posted 10/07/2021 08:53 am Wow! I had never seen the "error" info on the link that you posted, Rob. Tks. Report this Post to the Staff
yontan Valued Member United States 292 Posts	Posted 10/11/2021 9:39 pm Thanks for more info, Rob. Beautiful pictures of beautiful coins. Bill. Report this Post to the Staff
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