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George H. W. Bush Dollar Coin With Die Damage

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 Posted 11/01/2021  09:23 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rbaum82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Opened a roll of Bush Dollars and this damaged coin was very obvious. First time I have found this tyoe of error in a mint roll.


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 Posted 11/01/2021  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not see any way that it left the mint like that. PMD not an error. Please properly rotate photos before posting.
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 Posted 11/01/2021  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbaum82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I understand what you are saying, but I sell these Presidential dollar coins on ebay as a set. I buy these by the box ($250 to a box) from the US mint, and open the rolls to disperse them into protective sleeves.

This legitimately came from a US Mint roll. That is why I was surprised to find this type of damage. It looked as though it was damaged when the edging was struck. Looking forward to any other input
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 Posted 11/01/2021  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Looking forward to any other input

Me too.
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 Posted 11/01/2021  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbaum82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I fixed the photos so they were upright. Also this coin came from the Denver mint. Is it possible that it was damaged while sorting and packaging? Seems pretty severe to me to be damaged in that way.

I meant no disrespect either John 1, I just do not see how it could be PMD if it arrived that way from the mint. I am trying to learn and get better with identifying oddities, and appreciate all the input I get from the community.
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PSD. Post-Strike Damage. Damage to the coin after it was struck, either at the mint or during wrapping/rolling.

I'm not sure what the exact cause would be.
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 Posted 11/01/2021  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't doubt that you got this straight from the mint, but it's still not a striking error. The coin was damaged by the mint's machinery sometime after striking IMO.
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Not an error. It is only an error if it happens during the striking of the coin.
What you have could not have happened at that time.
Damage is damage whether it happened at the Mint or outside.
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Looks like it was damaged in the edge lettering machine to me. probably a traffic jam. generally this level of damage isn't going to happen in a sorting/rolling machine, nor do I think it's PMD from outside the mint. the coin was struck and ten it got significantly jammed up somewhere after the strike, and my guess is I'm going with the edge lettering machine. but I'd think there should be significant evidence of this hang up in the lettering also, if that's how it happened.

Maybe improperly spaced lettering around the edge or something to indicate it happened at that step.

On the business strikes, the coin are struck, then run through a machine to apply the edge lettering in a 2 step process.
Proofs are made with a 3 segmented collar and done along with the strike.

Id' say unless there is something apparently fishy with the edge lettering placement it could have technically happened anywhere in the supply chain though and be inconclusive.
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I will get a photo of the edging once I get home from work. Maybe that might help?
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to take a picture with another one, side by side both edge lettering starting from the same points and follow it around to see if it gets tighter or further apart.
Either that or if you can do an exploded view picture that shows the edge around the coin face, but that's beyond my technical knowledge on how to do that.
it should be obvious to you when comparing this one to any other Presidential dollar if it's there.
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There is nothing in the minting process that will produce this.

I would appreciate being corrected if wrong, but I believe the mint hires out to have the coins rolled. Therefore the shipping of these coins back and forth as well as handling by the company rolling them makes for ample opportunities for damaged coins to come from "mint rolls."
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Or slam dunked onto a sidewalk. Now a cull coin.
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 Posted 11/01/2021  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbaum82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Side View with a "D" from the same roll

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 Posted 11/01/2021  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbaum82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, I do get these from the US Mint, not bank rolls.


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Sorry, just damage.
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