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Because I'm currently residing in Oman, I decided to go out to one of the local markets. Turns out they had a good deal of coinage, including some ancients.

A few of my upcoming posts will be about the coins I decided to purchase. I know that this depicts Constantine, and was probably minted around 300 A.D. However I'm not sure what specific design. I'll leave it up to you experts.

Also as a side note, I was wondering if you could give me a price based on the condition and rarity. I just want to see if I paid a fair price for it.

Thank you all!

EDIT: Diameter is 1.8 cm


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The reverse type is PROVIDENTIAE AVGG and it is minted in Siscia 326-27. RIC VII Siscia 200: http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric....200?lang=en.

Value will just be a guess - $10? Perhaps someone has better info on that.
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@silver, since this coin is Roman, I'm going to move your thread over to the ancients subforum.
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This similar one's listed at $30 https://www.ma-shops.com/zufahl/item.php?id=10413
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The condition is better than the norm, so perhaps it wouldn't be unreasonable to place a slight premium on this specimen. But overall Roman bronzes of this period are quite plentiful in the marketplace. Generally I expect the retail price in a coin shop in my area not to exceed $15, and more often, when I actually buy another one, I pay considerably less than that.

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Thank you erafjel, seriously, your post is a massive help.

Thank you Spence, and thanks for moving my other topics as well.

Thanks for the reference John!

Lucky, that information is very helpful. As someone that doesn't shop for ancients, I'll do good to remember that. Luckily it seems that I paid a decent price for it. Again, thanks for the advice!
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Just an additional note. Many countries have very harsh laws regulating antiquities, including coins. I recommend taking some time to familiarize yourself with relevant Omani law.

That said, I don't think bronze coins of Constantine would have circulated in the Arabian Peninsula. I would be very cautious buying anything of possible local origin. Most Middle Eastern markets are rife with fakes, due in part to the harshness of antiquities laws and in part to human nature.
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...not to exceed $15
The coin would have to be in XF (extra fine) condition to exceed that.
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Just an additional note. Many countries have very harsh laws regulating antiquities, including coins. I recommend taking some time to familiarize yourself with relevant Omani law.


Thank you for the advice, I appreciate that. Luckily I possess diplomatic immunity, meaning that laws such as those, in relation to customs and taking foreign goods through, is in my right. They legally cannot search my baggage and such, unless I am carrying firearms.


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That said, I don't think bronze coins of Constantine would have circulated in the Arabian Peninsula. I would be very cautious buying anything of possible local origin. Most Middle Eastern markets are rife with fakes, due in part to the harshness of antiquities laws and in part to human nature.


You are completely right about that. The shop I was in did indeed have a good number of fakes. But I went to the store for a very specific reason. Rather than it being your traditional market, it was a trading area. The shop owners have many connections with foreign traders (or so I'm told), meaning that a good deal of their items were not locally sourced. They had rifles from WW1, bayonets, knives and blades from Germany to Saudi Arabia, and even a old toy tank made in the 1930s. Also for the interest of it, I decided to pick up a fake and act as if I did not know it was one. I approached the owner and asked him how much for it. He immediately told me it was a fake and that I shouldn't buy it. However, this store is unique in itself, others are not like it, and the other store owners might not be as kind, so thank you very much for the pieces of information and advice.

Thank you travelcoin, XF, got it! I have a lot to learn when it comes to significantly older coinage than what I'm used to dealing with.


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Thank you for the advice, I appreciate that. Luckily I possess diplomatic immunity, meaning that laws such as those, in relation to customs and taking foreign goods through, is in my right. They legally cannot search my baggage and such, unless I am carrying firearms.


Diplomatic immunity is a privilege given in response to past unfair treatment of diplomats. It is not an excuse for flaunting local laws. It seems that laws about taking these types of material out of the country exist for a reason. Based on your response it seems like you have little regard for local laws and are yet another example of many people who came before you who abuse privileges granted to you in order to serve your country - not your selfish interests. Your statement and your behavior are appalling and I am ashamed that you are out there representing your country.
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Diplomatic immunity is a privilege given in response to past unfair treatment of diplomats. It is not an excuse for flaunting local laws. It seems that laws about taking these types of material out of the country exist for a reason. Based on your response it seems like you have little regard for local laws and are yet another example of many people who came before you who abuse privileges granted to you in order to serve our country. Your statement and your behavior are appalling and I am ashamed that you are out there representing our country.


I hope you do realize you're talking to a 17 year old boy, that has been living abroad for nearly 8 years. Not only has this given me a greater perspective on life, one that many my age will never experience. I've seen so many diverse cultures, learned so much about the world, that the Great United States of America isn't everything as it is thought to be. This diplomatic immunity crap was simply explained by my parents to me. That I don't have to worry about my "coins being taken when I go back to the US." So, shame on you for being such so close minded.

You think I know about the laws and rules by the US Government that apply to me because I'm a diplomat? No I do not, because, I am a child. And I'll have you know that I've been nothing but respectful and interested across all the nations I've been to. I'm the type of person to get onto my family members and friends when they don't do the same.

So, with all due respect, you know absolutely nothing about me, nor the way I think or feel. And I do not appreciate what you've said, nor your harsh judgement.

Also, thank you for ruining my night, feels real great to be insulted so violently on this forum that I call my home.
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I know enough from what you have said to know you have no regard for the laws of the countries where you live. And if you are indeed 17, your parents should have taught you better.
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It isn't my job to know those laws. It's my parents job, and it's their job to tell me those laws when I need to hear them.

I respect the laws and customs when I need to follow them. For instance, I have to wear jeans and pants, not shorts when I walk out and about.

I follow those laws, those cultural laws. Please don't make assumptions

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Obviously your parents aren't doing their job. You aren't a kid at 17 - you are on the cusp of being an adult. Better get a moral compass if your parents aren't willing or able to provide one.

Your behavior and belief that you are entitled to flaunt other countries' laws is an insult to everyone in our country and everyone around the world.
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I'm done with this. I don't need to defend myself in this this wonderful forum, my actions will speak for themselves.

This conversation is over. Staff will deal with this.
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Thank you for the advice, I appreciate that. Luckily I possess diplomatic immunity, meaning that laws such as those, in relation to customs and taking foreign goods through, is in my right. They legally cannot search my baggage and such, unless I am carrying firearms.


Instead of being willfully obtuse, reread what you wrote and reflect on it instead of lashing out like a child. Having a moral compass is essential in life. At 17, better get one fast. Your parents aren't doing you any favors in the way they raised you.
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