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Clipped Coin | Spanish-Colonial 1 Real

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I'm wondering if anyone can identify this coin, I was told it was a "clipped two bits" but am not really happy with that. What was it before it was clipped?

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 Posted 01/20/2009  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a Pillar dollar, or in Pirate terms, a "piece of 8"

If it's clipped, then most likely it's real.
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 Posted 01/20/2009  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Christy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you think it was clipped? Would that reduce or increase the value?
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No, it's not "clipped" in the modern meaning during planchet making. It was purposely cut off to pay for a debt. So in this case, I think 1/4 of the dollar was cut off, so now it's only worth 6/8s, or 3/4 of a dollar or 6 reales.
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 Posted 01/20/2009  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As for the value, it might be lower, but it's more interesting since this was a coin that was actually used in circulation during the time of pirates, the Revolution and etc.

Still, it's a historically significant coin. May I ask where you got it?
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 Posted 01/21/2009  06:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We should probably clarify how big your coin is. All Spanish-Colonial coins, from the 8 reales down to the half-real, had the same design, and we can't tell which is which from just a picture.

"Two bits" is American slang for a quarter, and derives from the Spanish-Colonial 2 reales coin which was likewise a quarter of a Spanish dollar of 8 reales. I suspect your coin is about the size of a quarter, and what you've got is a Spanish-Colonial 2 reales that's had a couple of pieces cut off it. In other words, a "clipped two bits".
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 Posted 01/21/2009  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Christy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin is actually just a hair smaller than a nickel, I found it along with 59 other coins in a hidden drawer on the underside of a desk I bought at an auction! Best buy of my life!
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At a "bit less than a nickel" in size, it's probably a 1 real coin. So it's not a "clipped two bits", it's a "clipped bit".
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 Posted 01/24/2009  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weight would tell a lot. I would expect a 1 real clipped and worn to this degree to weigh about 2 grams. If a 2 real, 4-5 grams. It's an interesting curio and pocket piece....where has it been....
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 Posted 01/24/2009  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Christy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found it in a desk I bought at auction, along with 59 other coins!
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If it is a one real (12.5 cents) , it looks like it might have been clipped down to match silver content with a dime. Coins were valued back then for their intrinsic value. These coins were legal tender in the United States until 1857 and as evidenced by the wear on your example, they saw heavy circulation. What a great historical piece to have found.
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This is Carolus IIII (Carlos IV) silver real coin, mintmark and value is cut so only size can determine value. It looks like 1806 date.

Reign of this King was from 1788-1808
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Thanks so much for all the info. I'll weigh it and let you know what I come up with. Any ideas what it might be worth?
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worth its silver content.
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Yes, I agree that in that condition it is pretty much just worth bullion.

Out of curiosity, what other coins were among the 59 found in the hidden compartment of the desk?
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The coin weight is 2.3 grams. Here is the entire list of coins and currency we found, since I'm a newbie at this, any info would be appreciated,
U.S. COINS
1786- VERMONT COLONIAL Vermontensium, Ryder 8

1922- PEACE SILVER DOLLAR
1883- S. Morgan silver dollar
1972- EISENHOWER SILVER DOLLAR
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2- 1964 Kennedy half dollars
1966- Kennedy half dollar
1967-KENNEDY HALF DOLLAR
1969- D Kennedy half dollar
2- 1971- D Kennedy half dollars
1972- D Kennedy half dollar
1976- D BICENTENNIAL Kennedy half dollar
1976- BICENTENNIAL Kennedy half dollar

1892- COLUMBIAN HALF DOLLAR / 1893 Ticket to Worlds Columbian Exposition, expressly for Chicago day, days totals written on back for paid admissions and paid tickets.

1806- GEORGIUS III HALF PENY
1832- CLASSIC HEAD Half Cent
1917- Mercury dime
KNICKERBOCKER NEW YORK 1 CENT TOKEN Civil War
BLACKSMITH COPPER (token) WOODS 11
BLACKSMITH COPPER (token) WOODS 33
3- STORE CARDS / PRIVATE TOKENS
2- HARD TIMES TOKENS (I take the responsibility, Executive experiment)

2- UNIDENTIFIED

1948- Roosevelt dime - NEUTRON IRRADIATED
1951- Roosevelt dime - NEUTRON IRRADIATED

1934 UNION PACIFIC LUCKY PIECE ALUMINUM PULLMAN

U.S. PAPER CURRENCY
FRACTIONAL CURRENCY 5 CENT, BANK OF TENNESE, DEC. 1st, 1861
FRACTIONAL CURRENCY 10 CENT, SERIES OF 1874
FRACTIONAL CURRENCY 15 CENT, NEW YORK
FRACTIONAL CURRENCY 50 CENT, SERIES OF 1875
$1 COMMERCIAL BANK OF KENTUCKY OCT. 2, 1858
$1 BANK OF TENNESSEE, DEC. 1, 1861

SILVER CERTIFICATES
1935 A
1935 B
2-1935 E



$2
1953 RED SEAL
1976 GREEN SEAL

"Business Card" 1841 Troy & Michigan Line, Boat Victoria, D. Gazlay, Master.

CANADA
FRACTIONAL CURRANCY 25 CENTS, DOMINION OF CANADA, 1870
1842- ONE PENNY-BANK OF MONTREAL-HOLE IN CENTER
1844-HALF PENNY- BANK OF MONTREAL
1886- 5 CENTS VICTORIA DEI GRATIA REGINA
18 6- 5 CENTS VICTORIA DEI GRATIA REGINA
1895- ONE CENT VICTORIA DEI GRATIA REGIAN
1902- ONE CENT EDWARDVS VII D.G. REX IMPERATOR
1903- 5 CENTS EDWARDVS VII D.G. REX IMPERATOR
1938- 5 CENTS GEORGIVS VI
1947- 5 CENTS GEORGIVS VI
UN SOU- MONTREAL BAS CANADA

SPANISH
Spanish Colonial, "Piece of Eight" Milled Bust Type ?, 2 "bits" clipped off ?

GERMAN
PAPER CURRENCY, 1 MARK, 1914
1862- PFENNING 360 EINEN THALER
1863- PFENNING 360 EINEN THALER
1924- 1 MARK DEUTSCHES REICH
1925- 5 DEUTSCHES REICH REICHSFPENNIG

FRENCH
1856- NAPOLEON III EMPEREUR
1868- 1 F EMPIRE FRANCAIS III EMPEREUR

BRITAIN
1860- HALF PENNY VICTORIA D:G. BRITT
1925- HALF PENNY GEORGIVS V DEI GRA: BRITT

Austria, Danmark, Nederlanden
1-1881 AUSTRIA
1- 1897 1 ORE
1- 1924 10 ORE DANMARK HOLE IN MIDDLE
1- 1918 1 CENT NEDERLANDEN
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5- ORENTIAL

1- MIDDLE EAST
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