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Why Don't Lincoln Memorials Get The Full Steps Designation?

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IMHO, the Memorial series, for the most part, are the worst quality coins the mint has ever produced. The vast majority of BU examples are MS-60 to MS-63 and exhibt mid to late die state. They are also plagued with spots and dings due to poor handling. Even coins included with mint sets fall into this grade range. In fact, I have most of the Memorial series cut from mint sets in my collection and the non-mint set examples I have are usually higher in quality....there's almost no hope!


Over my years as a Lincoln collector I've worked very, very hard on my Memorial collection. I seek MS-65+ coins with an EDS. My eyes have gone crossed after hours upon hours of searching BU rolls, coin shops and coin shows.

Individual Memorials are nearly impossible to purchase over the internet unless they come from a very trusted and selective source. They require very close inspection! Not to mention, the book values are so low that sellers don't even bother with them. This is the same at dealers stores and coin shows. There's NO LOVE for the Memorial cents!

One the biggest things I look for on a Memorial is the quality of the steps. For the life of me, I can't figure out why next to nobody ever mentions the steps! Why isn't there a "full steps" designation applied to Memorials in the same fashion as the Jefferson nickel? All of the TPG's should add this designation to their holders!

The steps provide important clues as to the dies state and strike of the coin. They are the finest detail on the coin (except for the 1980's series) and the first area to show problems. When I look at a Memorial cent, it's the FIRST place I look. If the steps aren't at least 95% detailed and free of hits, the coin is worthless to me. I absolutely love seeing one that has perfect, flawless steps that are hit-free!
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01/23/2009 12:15 am
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 Posted 01/23/2009  01:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They really should use the designation since it is a natural for these coins. It's common on only a few dates.
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 Posted 01/23/2009  03:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You bring up a good point and make a very good case in point. I will admit you are 100% correct in looking at the steps 1st and if they are 'mint' and the rest of the coin checks out great,which is almost a very rare thing, meaning free of dings from mishandling, a poor strike, MDS or LDS, Planchet flaws etc. I feel you have hit a sore subject for many and I for one also have a mint state set and finding candidates to fill the open spots is getting even worse.
I will say that my set includes the proofs and while you can focus on the hard path ahead to complete the business strikes, there is no feeling like collecting the proofs and just looking at them in all their glory and design, the mirror like finishes they posses and the detail to almost perfection, every time.....
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It is amazingingly hard to find examples like you stated. Without spots, no major hits etc. I am tired of looking for memorials without the waterspots or w/e they are. Anything around the 90's and up seems to be really spotty.

I always wondered that about the steps too. I recently searched through a few rolls of 08's and found maybe 6-8 per roll without hits to the steps. Then I was lucky to find out of those 8 one that does not have spots or major hits to the primary focal areas.

The majority of my memorials have also come from mint sets and I totally agree with the conditions of them. Pretty poor. This is why I have posted in the Want to buy section for some memorial rolls so I can cherry pick some to finish filling my set. There is no other way really, you can hardly find anyone to sell them and if you bought them on ebay or something, odds are it will not be to your liking, I almost garuntee that.

I have looked over my memorials pretty decent, but havent nit picked too many because if I was looking for MS65+, I'd have like 10 holes filled if I'm lucky :) I think I will however look them over good again and check out the steps better then I have in the past.

So are the steps the first to wear, or is it the highest point on the reverse? Its funny how the nickel gets so much attention to the steps, when the memorial has what, twice as many steps not to mention I think they are a bit longer.
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 Posted 01/23/2009  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've thought about this too. Maybe there are too many to count?
However there could be some designation for strike and detail. It would be an interesting study to see which dates are hard to find with well struck steps on a LMC.
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There are a number of years for which you will NEVER find a 'full step' coin because the master hubs didn't have well defined steps...mainly in the late 1970s into the mid 1980s. Better than 90% of all 1972 and 1973 cents are not struck sharply enough to completely fill in the design on the reverse - to include the steps.
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