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A recent pick up, I believe it is a Ryder 7-M? Fine-12? I do have a used Hillyer Ryder book coming in but I tried to attribute the variety in the meantime via internet searching. Grade & variety thoughts are appreciated! Thanks! RK55   been awhile, larger photo's.   Edited by RK55
12/28/2021 12:59 pm
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Very nice!  |
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Now that is a real pleasing example of a Massachusetts copper. Very, very nice pickup! I would put this at a F-12?
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I'll say VG-10, but I have little experience with these. Beautiful indeed.
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This is indeed a very appealing example of early colonial coinage - at least by what I can see by the photos. If authentic - then I say gorgeous VG/F example of a well centered, non-corroded and smooth planchet coin. Hopeful to hear from the experts view on authenticity. Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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That's my kind of coin .... congrats. Sorry don't know enough about that series to grade.
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Agreed, it looks consistent with the features of type 7-M as described by Hillyer Ryder in THE COPPER COINS OF MASSACHUSETTS. The surfaces are exceptionally nice, congratulations. |
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t360, that is what I used to try and determine the Ryder Variety ( The copper coins of Massachusetts). I agree with you and others on the nice
surfaces and planchet, I have a few 1788 Mass.cents,one is a NGC vg-10 and one is a raw VG but this coin is a lot nicer and has great eye appeal.
I think it is the 7-M.
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In my experience, colonial coppers with smooth chocolate surfaces are the most highly prized, irrespective of the technical grade.
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Lacking a copy of Ryder I couldn't claim as to a variety but it sure is super choice in the grade. Lovely color and surfaces.
I would be super pleased to have this one in the cabinet.
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I believe it is the Ryder 7-M also and grades somewhere around VG10, a nice trouble free example, great specimen. Compare to this VF from a Stack's/Bowers auction at PCGS: https://www.PCGS.com/auctionprices/...431996301587I used my copy of Michael A. Demling's excellent Massachusetts Coppers Attribution guide to come to the Ryder 7-M conclusion. An excellent reference with a ton of photos and line drawings of each area of the cent and Half Cents blown up, as well as full obverse and reverse maps. Great if you can find them, I believe they are now out of print. He made a full size and pocket size books spiral bound so they will stay open on your desk while comparing coins to the photos and drawings, such a nice touch. I picked up the "pocket" guides for the Massachusetts and New Jersey Coppers and a full size book on the US Half Cents from an ebay find. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
01/04/2022 6:51 pm
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westcoin, thanks for the additional link. I purchased 4 reference books from ebay and one was the Hillyer Ryder "the copper coins of Massachusetts" originally published in 1920, this was a reprint from Durst publishing 1981. looks like the 7-M is the conclusion. I also received in the lot a "United States Half Cents" by Ebenezer Gilbert, reprinted in 1977 from an original print in 1916. never heard of him, but some good reference points. |
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Both those books are good books but old I Like the Gilbert book too (I have the original and a reprint). The Michael Demling books are amazing I can't recommend them enough. Not the easiest to find though I see them sometimes offered in the back of Pennywise (EAC publication) maybe set up a search on ebay to alert you if they ever get posted. So worth it. I put up a review later on the New Jersey and Massachusetts Copper books I got in the book section tonight. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
01/05/2022 4:56 pm
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Michael Demlings colonial attribution guides are available from the author and his ad is in almost every issue of the EAC journal Penny Wise. (Don't have a Penny Wise close at hand but if people are interested I can get his address for them) He has recently published a second edition of the New Jersey book. If I remember correctly the cost about $55 apiece. (And for anyone who wants to whine about the price, that is CHEAP for a good numismatic reference.)
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01/05/2022 6:24 pm
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Thanks Gary, I thought one of his books was out of print, maybe it was just a certain size, since most of them are in both the larger format and the small formats. I found the NJ and Mass. Copper guides (small size) and the Full size Half Cent guide all 3 for $50.00 on ebay a few months ago. A steal for what they contain IMO. Review still to come, I had some emergency work pop up and had to go into work again (animal surgery center). One of my own cats was sick, though better now, he's spending the night in the oxygen cage after having a dental issue pop up. EDIT UPDATE: My cat is now back home - Yay! He hates the medicine he needs to take (because of course he does, he's a cat!). The books are still available and I've written up most of the New Jersey book in a review, which I will post in an hour or so, then the Mass. book review. I will include ordering info from Michael Demling directly on the new second edition of the NJ book I have the review out to him for approval before posting it here at the CCF (just want to make sure he is cool with everything first). "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
01/06/2022 7:31 pm
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