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2000 Lincoln Cent Not Pm. What Is This?

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Interesting 2000 Lincoln. What am I seeing? Not PM.
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 Posted 12/28/2021  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yorkish to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First glance looks like ridge rim to me but idk about the little fingers coming off the letters. Very interesting!
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 Posted 12/28/2021  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Late Stage Die Deterioration.
That Die should have been retired before this.
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DDD.
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I agree, late stage Die Deterioration.
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This particular effect is called "trailing" and is a machine error, but cool example. I don't think it adds or takes away value.
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This particular effect is called "trailing" and is a machine error

Trailing might look like the letters are doing, but "coin trailing" is not a coin term. This coin is suffering from a late stage Die Deterioration from over use.
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Trailing might look like the letters are doing, but "coin trailing" is not a coin term. This coin is suffering from a late stage Die Deterioration from over use.


To be fair, he didn't use the term "coin trailing".

However, Trails, Die Trails, Trail Dies, and Die Deterioration Promoted by Trails are all acceptable terms, so Dmil070182 gets the point for that one.

On the other hand, I agree that this is strictly due to an aging and overused die as Trail related deterioration generally flows obliquely from the device towards the rim, rather than directly.

We'll call it a draw and the OP can keep his Lincoln for educational purposes.

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Generally speaking, trails are parallel raised ridges which extend away from the corners of a coin's design elements. They are strongest at the point where the device meets the field, and then taper off as they extend into the field. They vary in strength from naked-eye obvious to barely perceptible under magnification. A single coin can exhibit multiple sets of trails going in multiple directions. These ridges are created during polishing of the die by a rotary tool. A soft buff or bristles penetrate into the die's recesses, gather in the corners of those devices, and then erode a gouge into the die as they exit the recesses into the higher relief of the field. Trails can also occur on a coin's incuse devices, which are raised on the die. In this instance, the buff or bristle concentrate against the raised wall and continue gouge out a trail into the field where the device terminates. Since there is no change in relief in this instance, the trails are weaker. "Wavy Steps" are just trails that extend into the steps from the columns on Lincoln cents, causing the steps to have a wavy appearance. For a more detailed explanation, please see the article "Unraveling the Mysteries of Trail Dies" by Will Brooks in the July 17th 2017 issue of CoinWorld Weekly. http://www.traildies.com/


I put the definition because it is confused with Die Deterioration.

For the year 2000P they are only 4 variety listed, maybe a good idea it is to be send for evaluation.


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trails are not a machine issue,it is a worn die issue https://www.error-ref.com/?s=trail+die
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They are called exreme die flow lines. They start in the center of the coin and when the die is polished it removes them. But on this die, it looks like a three time polished example. So rather than weaking the devices more, they left the die flow lines alone. This let them get strong on the die as it continues to age. Seen these before:
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CoopHome: What are these? (die flow lines from die shaping the planchets into the shape, leaving these lines where the metal is moving.
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 Posted 12/31/2021  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hwbfresh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very informative. Thanks all.
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I always want everyone to see on their coin, what I see on their coin. (my personal goal)
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 Posted 12/31/2021  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this the same thing Canadian sites lable as Mortar sets?
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@ Wrekkdd: Not really. mortar sets it is a very old nomination of other kind of die variety. date from 50-60 years ago. Still be keep in the Canadian lexicon due to the fact of reticence to changes by a wrong understood conservatism.
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