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1917-D OBV WLH. Should I Send To TPG?

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 Posted 01/13/2022  09:51 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add denkan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

Just got this coin and it is my first WLH-coin.
The coin looks pretty good with nice details and underlying luster under the toning.
However on the obverse right field the luster is interrupted and in one angle wich is hard to capture on photo there is alot of vertical lines from an old cleaning.

I've seen the auctionresults on PCGS and AU-Details-CLEANED coins seem to sell somewhere around $200-400. So I'm thinking of maybe putting this coin into my next submission.
In the future I will upgrade this one for a straightgrade AU/MS WLH.

Do you think it will just get graded cleaned or harshy cleaned or even tooled?

Also, if the coin wasn't cleaned, at what numerical grade would you grade it?

Last photo of the obverse kind of shows the cleaned flield.


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 Posted 01/13/2022  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks borderline AU/UNC to me. I'll go with an AU-58 to play it safe.

The scratches would absolutely detail the coin. The cleaning seems to be very dramatic and noticeable. AU-Details Cleaned final answer.

This coin has very good eye appeal otherwise.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A beauty. I see friction with a possible wipe in the fields leaving some hair lines. I think this one would go MS details. Definitely worth getting TPG'd.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  11:28 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I lean toward Unc details. The cleaning hairlines on the obverse would definitely warrant a details grade, but still a very attractive coin with nice luster.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unc Details but the not-so-subtle cleaning really hurts it.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would have been a beauty if it wasn't harshly cleaned . Low MS Details .
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 Posted 01/13/2022  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm at MS details as well, but splitting hairs on the grade doesn't matter much here.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denkan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
but splitting hairs on the grade doesn't matter much here.

It's not that I thinking this would straightgrade but more for my own education on grading WLH's. My first thought was that it had details and luster for AU58 but since I'm new to WLH I wouldn't be suprised if I was wrong and it would be a 53/55.

Well since some of you think this might even grade UNC-Details I will for sure put this in my next submission. Even at AU-Details it think it should be profitable to have this in a TPG-slab in the future when the time comes to sell. If it comes back harshly-cleaned I don't know what the potential value might be...


Rather have it "bodybagged" than a future buyer feeling scammed for raw "unjustice" photos.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A shame. This is a beautiful, lustrous, and well-struck early Walker that would command a premium price if not for the boneheaded cleaning attempt.
Not sure paying to get it into a details slab is a good investment. The coin has nice eye appeal as is, in spite of the impairment.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psuman08 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with Jaobler, I would not pay to get this slabbed. Spend that money on another coin!
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