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1956 Lincoln BIE Error Can't Find In Cuds On Coins?

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1956-Lincoln-BIE-Error-Can't-Find-In-Cuds-On-Coins?
1956-Lincoln-BIE-Error-Can't-Find-In-Cuds-On-Coins?

must have been an ender one side real toned! all kinds of color. Reverse is normal. Probably listed in the other BIE book . Either way it doesn't matter to me. Just showing the BIE people
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nice BIE, I have seen so many different variations of BIE's that I'm not surprised they all are not listed
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Good BIE, nice toning.
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Yes, nice toning. Looks like it could be LDB4-1956-019 4EL+
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That's a sweet coin irrespective of the BIE, which is present and can also be looked up with the Cohen naming convention, but that is not mainstream but does capture BIE progressions in more detail, at least some people hold that pov.
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Yep
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Yes, nice toning. Looks like it could be LDB4-1956-019 4EL+


It does look like on of the coins on Cuds on coins but the markers are all wrong. This one has two die cracks at 7 o'clock and a die crack in skull but no die chip on E of one cent. Probably listed in the other book I can't access.. Maybe JC can see if it is?
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Nice example, well photographed.
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Yea nice coin. If you read the Cuds site, they just started listing BIE chips a few years ago.
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Because of the die chip issue, it could be an earlier or later die state of any of any listed example. Thus the frustration that the people in the 1960's had. Eventually they left off on the searches.
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Nice BIE!!
Die Chips in LIBERTY on Lincoln Cents became popular for some collectors in the 60's. In the handbook Howard O Hardy developed a schematic method for identifying and classifying Liberty Chips that was called the Hardy Index System. The index was applied to over 1800 illustrations by John Gedko for this handbook. The last illustration in the book was a 1970D. It seems that interest in the Guild and Die Chips in LIBERTY faded with the passing of Mr. Bush. For whatever reason there seems to be very few Die Breaks in Chips on Lincoln Cents minted in the 70"s and 80's. Then starting in the 90's we started seeing more.
Your die chip is a "DL+" "DL+" indicates a break of ½ or more, but less than ¾ that extends below the lowest level of the letters.
The link below is to the Hardy Index System.
Hardy Index System : Cuds on Coins (cuds-on-coins.com)
Cohen has 55 1956 BIE's listed while Hardy has 85.
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Nice BIE!!
Die Chips in LIBERTY on Lincoln Cents became popular for some collectors in the 60's. In the handbook Howard O Hardy developed a schematic method for identifying and classifying Liberty Chips that was called the Hardy Index System. The index was applied to over 1800 illustrations by John Gedko for this handbook. The last illustration in the book was a 1970D. It seems that interest in the Guild and Die Chips in LIBERTY faded with the passing of Mr. Bush. For whatever reason there seems to be very few Die Breaks in Chips on Lincoln Cents minted in the 70"s and 80's. Then starting in the 90's we started seeing more.
Your die chip is a "DL+" "DL+" indicates a break of ½ or more, but less than ¾ that extends below the lowest level of the letters.
The link below is to the Hardy Index System.
Hardy Index System : Cuds on Coins (cuds-on-coins.com)
Cohen has 55 1956 BIE's listed while Hardy has 85.


Thank you JC I know you have given this explanation thousands of times. I went to Cuds on coins for 1956. Obviously you can narrow it down somewhat by the length of the BIE from there I look for die markers. Personally I am not interested in these errors, and I have been trying to improve a friend's set. I think this coin has personality. I have wondered recently if these BIES are just progressions of existing Bies. Thanks for responding and educating me.
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