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Chinese Empire Coins, Genuine?

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 Posted 02/26/2022  10:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Aleia89 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all! I recently acquired a few Chinese Empire coins, and was wondering if someone could verify if they're authentic or not. I'm aware that replicas and counterfeits are very common, so I'd prefer to be safe, since I can still get a refund. I was able to look up these coins online, and the weights appear to match. The coins also do tarnish, so I'm assuming they have some silver content.

These are both sides of the first two coins. I can upload pictures if the others later.




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 Posted 02/27/2022  04:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
. Weight? Size?
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There is a rapidly increasing interest in China to collect Chinese Empire silver coins, partly due to the rapidly increasing prosperity within China.
Along with this, there is also the rapidly increasing interest by dishonest people within China, to produce high quality fake silver coins, (sometimes valuable rarities in good silver), in very deceiving fake slabs.
A fake slab makes it impossible to verify the coin inside the slab, unless the the coin is broken out.

Sometimes, they are also exported to the biggest coin market in the World.

I have about 20 Chinese Empire silver coins in my collection, but I have to admit with hindsight that perhaps not all of them are genuine. None are slabbed.

A cursory glance only at the on screen pictures suggest to me that this coin may be OK, but I stand to be corrected.
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I think they are both fake. The two stars on your 2 Jiao are not the same as the real one.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces241252.html

For the second one, Kiang-si Province never actually made a "1 mace 44 candareens" coin in that time period.
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Hi, thanks for the reply Wandering Circle! I looked into it, and the stars on the 2 jiao actually more closely resemble the design on a 5 jiao! So that is very much cause for concern.

I also was confused about why I couldn't find a record of the other being produced by the Kiang-Si mint, so it would make sense that this one is fake too. I'm guessing the others are likely fakes, so I'll report this seller and get refunded.
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You might also want to weight and do a magnet test on them for more confirmation. Best of luck, Aleia89.
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I weighed the coins, and they come in about 5.3g, which is a bit lower than the 5.5g which would be expected. I have a magnet arriving tomorrow, but I've tested them with a standard fridge magnet, and they have no magnetic pull. But it's a good idea to have a neodymium magnet since I hope to collect more coins in the future.
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100% fake.

The reality is good Chinese silver coins are already too expensive. A cheap kwangtung silver piece would be 20 dollars and the price is as high as sky high.

I really wouldn't recommend collecting Chinese coins unless you are prepared to get burned and spend good money on reference books and the time to understand what you are in.

Took me well over a decade to really appreciate what I have and got burned on a few fakes.
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Anyone who can't rather quickly peg these as typical mid-level quality fakes has NO business buying Chinese pieces raw. At the very least, only buy raw pieces from top-level world coin dealers. Of course, you won't get any bargains from such dealers (and certainly not from major auctions)... and as gxseries noted, if you don't invest the time to really learn your stuff, this will be the result.
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Thank you gxseries and realeswatcher!

I had been considering collecting some Chinese coins, and this was my first experience. Needless to say, if I decide to acquire more coins from this region, it would only be from trusted major coin dealers. It seems that the risk is simply too high for a novice like myself. I'll be sure to stick with collecting other coins, and from very reputable sources, too.

Thankfully, I was able to get a full refund from the seller, and am attempting to flag their listings.

The coins appear to have some silver content, as they do not stick to a neomydium magnet, and will act as a good lesson guiding forward. Thank you to everyone!

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