| Author |
 Replies: 19 / Views: 3,951 |
|
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
What would've caused this. Broken Rim? The reverse die seems to be slighted misaligned south west not by much tho. Across the left bottom of ribbon. What do you guys think? It is not incused it's flat, maybe the rim wasn't fully developed and left some metal not "pushed down" to forum the rim.   |
|
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
62064 Posts |
We often see rim Cuds on coins. They are raised areas on the coin. The rim is added to the coin on the outside gutter of the coin. But on your coin there is not rim on that area. So think opposite. On a die the outside edge has a gutter located to for the rim:  Note the gutter edge that forms that edge? If it was broken off the die,  Note the front left image: Note on the simulation example, the break. But that is the area we are looking at, but consider of that area was filled with grease. that would prevent that area to be formed on your coin. That is the only reason for it to be missing while still having the plating on that area. Sometimes the rims can be broken off of struck coins, and then show the gray zinc layer below the plating. So know a little bit more on a subject will help to understand more about what could/did happen on coins you are searching. Thanks for posting this. I knew a coin would eventually show up.  CoopHome: Why is part of the rim missing on my coin?Edited by coop
03/05/2022 11:47 am
|
|
Valued Member
 United States
426 Posts |
Quote:
. Note the front left image: Note on the simulation example, the break. But that is the area we are looking at, but consider of that area was filled with grease. that would prevent that area to be formed on your coin. Lots of great reading material to understand and read I think I get it coop. So the part I quoted that front top left image with the die crack if it was filled with grease would be what my coin looks like? If I'm understanding it correctly. If not explain in short how my coin came to be again lots of info trying to piece it together to mine I'll have to reread it a few times to understand. Thanks for this info coop always great to have pics and explanations like this. |
|
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Quote:
. I knew a coin would eventually show up. By this do u mean it's "rare" not seen often And is there a single term used for the "I knew a coin like this would should up" What's the term for this coin? Haha |
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
62064 Posts |
Well if there are more from the same die, they maybe more/less grease on some of the others. Some maybe normal before the grease issue happened. So take a look at that roll again to see if there is a progression of this event? I'd like to add those also to this discussion.
|
|
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Only one that was found coop.
|
|
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Hahah Seal Cent
I like it we have an error now along with a grease filled gutter rim
|
|
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
How rare are these errors, you said before "thanks for posting this. I knew coin would eventually show up"
Meaning we were just waiting to see it on a more modern coin
|
|
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Found a few mor they all are the same size and in the same area
|
|
Pillar of the Community
 United States
5772 Posts |
I agree this is most likely grease filling the rim gutter.
Are all of the examples you have found the same exact size and shape?
The reason I ask is that even though it's probably grease, I'm wondering if some metal might be clogging the rim gutter? (Grease would lose its shape easier as it gets pressed out the seam where the rim gutter on the die meets the collar die.)
IMHO, Grease tends to be pressed out of the rim gutter fairly quickly by successive strikes. Interior devices with grease clogging the recesses probably retain the grease longer.
Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
|
|
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Quote:
. Are all of the examples you have found the same exact size and shape? Identical Pete so maybe not grease then? It could be the actual die itself the metal didn't get "cut" out in the spot so it makes the design rim look like that? |
|
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Pete and coop here's one from a friend on Facebook. This is also a 2022 penny. His is a little higher up and it is shorter then mine. Hard to see in the be full reverse pic but the close ups you can see it. The top of the anomaly looks good but towards the bottom it's throwing me off bc it doesn't resemble how mine looks. The top of the anomaly looks good again no rim and flush with the fields of the coin but the bottom is odd seems to have take a hit therr.  |
|
Moderator
United States
95755 Posts |
If they all are identical, the I would say that this is a die event - maybe that, that part o the rim didn't get carved out of the die and not leaving a recess for the rim to properly form.
|
|
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Dearborn the on I've posted mine the others r all identical.
This second one you see above is from a friend it's not in the same spot ? The affect is there
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
5772 Posts |
Dearborn may have a good point.
I'm not sure but believe that the rim gutter is the last thing formed on the die. If the machinery cutting/forming the rim gutter (a vertical lathe?) doesn't complete the full 360 degree circle for some reason, it might create this effect.
Is anyone here familiar with what machinery is used to create the rim gutter on the dies?
Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
|
|
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
I'm not to convinced on the second pic I posted from the guy on Facebook but if it is the anomaly interesting don't how it would've occurred.
|
| |
Replies: 19 / Views: 3,951 |
Posted 03/05/2022 11:23 am
