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1985 & 1979 Lincoln Penny With Finger Feeder Damage And/Or Die Deterioration Or PMD Or Damaged Die?

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 Posted 03/06/2022  12:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add La_isla to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
As I understand finger feeder damage all abrasions will be in a straight line across the coin in the same direction. Is it unusual for this to happen on both obverse and reverse of the same coin? What is a scratch that traverses the same coin in a different direction? On the obverse the abrasions travel on the right side of the coin SE to NW and and left side of the coin SW to NE.

On the reverse of this coin there is a clear die scratch at the base of the Memorial that is in a different direction than all the other scratches.

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03/06/2022 12:29 pm
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 Posted 03/06/2022  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Best to keep questions down to one coin. It make it confusing when more than one coin is posted. It makes it like when you go to the doctor and there are several patients in the same room and the doctor can't give full attention to each individual. Each of your coins have different issues. The coins has two different die creations. Each with their own different issues. So delete this thread and create a new thread with the issues you are seeing for each coin. Or delete the coin images and post the first question you ask. You will get a better response when you do that.
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 Posted 03/06/2022  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. On this obverse and reverse (which I don't often see this) there is what is called Ridge Ring. On the zinc cents we see this more as the die ages. DDD is often noticed on the fields in the direction towards the rim. After a die polishing, the breakdown of the die will show (on the obverse of your coin) the area that raises on the coin, (that flattens on the die) the a middle areas of the devices being thinned. (In God) On the next polishing, the devices will be thinned even more.
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Kind of like your tires on your car. You can have part of the tread wearing down and eventually they have to be replaced. But on a die they try to rescue the die by polishing down the die. Thus eventually weakens the design more and more as more polishing happens to the die.
Same on the reverse but it is not as sever so far. But the devices are affected. That is what your are seeing on your coin. The weakening on the UNI on United. Same on the 'O' on ONE. The other boxes are die polishing scratches. So your next question will be: "Why are some areas showing die scratches and other areas not showing die scratches?" Die scratches wear differently on a die. In the open fields, they flatten and go away face. But die scratches near a device, will last a lot longer. Ones in side a contained area like in the bays and in side of the devices/bays will last the longest. Thus on your coin, it is showing this. Thus some are more protected than others. But aside from the things already mentioned, on the head on the obverse, we see die scratches there and the ones on the reverse are telling me it was polished because of a die clash event:
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On a die clash the deeper devices will be showing more on the clash. The outline of the bust and the Building are the most often seen on a clash. But that event has been polished off the die at this point. So the die scratches are telling me this is the reason the die was polished. It was not an issue with a Feeder Finger Damage issue. Those other event will be affecting dies differently, than a clash event. Hope this helps. If not, ask what is not clear.

CoopHome: Why do dies get polished? What are they trying to cover up?
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03/06/2022 12:55 pm
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Super explanation. Thanks Coop. You are a treasure for a noob.
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What took me years to learn, now can be taught to others in weeks/months. Why did it take me so long to learn. I was given yes or no answers. No explanations of why. Why it is/isn't. So I avoid that process and help everyone see what I see on a coin, the first time.
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