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Late 80s Zincoln Phenomenon?

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I opened up some 1989 proof sets last night which I have had for a while and this is what I saw on several of them. I have many that are much older and have been stored in the same place (at least for 10+ years) with no problem.

Is this a Zincoln thing or an 80s thing or a combination? (would the same thing happen to a 2020 cent in a proof set?)

Thanks!

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Most likely it is a storage thing. Where are you keeping them?
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Agree--largely a storage matter it seems.
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Take any penny minted after 1982 and one from pre 1982. Put them outside somewhere on the ground. Come back in a year and the post 1982 coin will have likely rotted away. They just aren't made to last.
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I agree as well. The OGP lens is not air tight, so storage environment matters.
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I agree it has to do with storage/environment.

Not to hijack the thread and since it's related to the OP's coin/question, I recently received multiple original rolls of 1983P cents and a lot of coins in each roll have the same black moldlike staining similar to the OP's coin. The worst roll had about half the coins ruined.

The "staining" in this situation begs the question, if it's all environmental why were some of the coins not affected? (The outside of the white wrappers had no watermarks, just discoloration from aging.)

IMHO, it seems environmental issues affect some coins more than others in the exact same environment and that seems to point to it being be a production issue as well.
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Cupric oxide corrosion from improper storage.
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Not to hijack the thread and since it's related to the OP's coin/question, I recently received multiple original rolls of 1983P cents and a lot of coins in each roll have the same black moldlike staining similar to the OP's coin. The worst roll had about half the coins ruined.


Welcome to my world! A large number of OBW rolls I've bought over the years had some or all corroded coins inside from improper storage.
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Welcome to my world! A large number of OBW rolls I've bought over the years had some or all corroded coins inside from improper storage.


Few people realize the scope of this problem. It's not only BU rolls that are affected but mint sets as well. Large percentages of some dates are affected. While there are lots and lots of these BU rolls the fact of the matter is some dates like the '84-D were very lightly saved. Some dates rarely come with nice surfaces and then they became oxidized.

If some of these dates had the kind of demand that a common wheat has the prices would be far higher. There's a perception that all moderns are common so they aren't collected.

The problem is worst in cents but affects almost all moderns. People didn't save things like clad quarters and the ones in mint packaging are usually ruined because much of it is highly unstable.

A few collectors are waking up to the situation and are starting to snap up nice mint sets. Try finding a 1968 mint set with an pristine Philly cent... ...I dare you. There are almost none. Most are ruined and most of the rest have carbon spots.
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Thanks everyone for the information! You are probably correct in that it was improper storage at least for several years.

If they were my family's originally, I know that some of them were stored in a pretty humid environment (basement) in the 90s and were moved a couple of times as they were passed between family members. There were also some I purchased in the 2000s and who knows where they had been stored. However I don't remember them being like that when I got them but I probably didn't open all of them to look.

I would agree that proper storage is priority #1, but I also think that some require a better environment that others.

Since posting this I have opened more and 1989 seems to be the worst. However it is on some others, and they are all mid - late 80s. They have all been stored properly since early 2000s and will continue to be as long as I own them!
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I suspect done purposely so people would stop saving them.
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As others have said, it's due to poor storage. Just another example of how Zincolns literally rot over time.
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