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My Daughter Found This Collecting Shells On The Maine Coast - Any Thoughts?

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@sky, first welcome to CCF. Second, can you please post the weight of this piece? Thx.
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Very interesting. Was the piece found completely submerged, or in the intertidal zone, or up in the rocks? Was an attempt made to 'clean' the piece after being found?
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looks like a cob/reales type.

not my thing, but try here: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/in...&ct=coin&p=1
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This appears to be a cast copy of an eight reales in the style of coins from the Mint at Potosi during the reign of King Philip IV, which if genuine would predate 1652. Again it appears not to be genuine although without the coin in hand you can't be sure from images alone.
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@Pistareen what gives you the impression that it's a cast copy? Couldn't salt water damage also leave this type of appearance on a coin like this?

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Welcome to the forum!

Congratulations to your daughter and those are nice images of both sides of the "cobb". If you don't mind answering, what part of Maine? I have relatives near Deer Isle.

Did it look like this when it came out of the water?
A silver coin in the water since 1652 would be black from oxidation.

But as others have said, the weight (in grams) could be helpful. And a jeweler or pawn shop could help determine if it is silver.
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Cool find!!!!!
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And a jeweler or pawn shop could help determine if it is silver.


Curious...why suggest a jeweler or pawn shop over suggesting he take it to a coin shop? It seems like there's a high probability that either one could use a scratch test to determine the content. A coin shop would be a better option to both determine the authenticity and metal content IMHO.
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1) There are more jewelers and pawn shops than coin shops.
2) Jewelers and pawn shops are more likely to have an XFR analyzer. (Although this may be changing.)
3) Some coin shops mostly deal in bullion, Morgans, and proof sets. Those aren't more useful than a jeweler for identifying a coin.
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1) There are more jewelers and pawn shops than coin shops.
2) Jewelers and pawn shops are more likely to have an XFR analyzer. (Although this may be changing.)
3) Some coin shops mostly deal in bullion, Morgans, and proof sets. Those aren't more useful than a jeweler for identifying a coin.


1) I agree, but if given the choice I am taking a coin to a coin shop for an opinion/appraisal. Also, none of us know if the OP has a coin shop nearby.
2) The two main coin shops I frequent in town both have the tools to check if this is silver without doing a scratch test. They do enough volume in bullion/scrap and with bullion prices where they are (plus with so many fakes), it's a small investment for them to make and a necessary tool to protect their businesses.
3) Coin shops see it all and deal in all beyond just bullion/Morgans/proof sets. I would trust them to either have the knowledge or connections to more accurately determine the authenticity and value of this coin over a jeweler or pawn shop. Would you take a piece of jewelry to a coin shop hoping to get an appraisal beyond the scrap value? Let's say he takes it to a jeweler or pawn shop and they determine it is silver. Ok great, what if he wants to get an estimate of its value? Why make two stops when a coin shop can do both?
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Hello and thank you all for the welcomes! Still trying to get used to this site's interface. It was found along a rocky shore among the shells she was collecting on an outer island in the Casco Bay of Maine. I can assure you, it was not planted there. I did not clean it. I only have a food scale and it comes out at 7 grams.

And for those non-believers, I have attached the original certificate of authenticity, all very accurate except for the second page...:)
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Thank you for the links...I am almost certain it is
2 Reales - Phillip II. The images and weight are correct.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces61948.html
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