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Pillar of the Community
Taiwan
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The photos provided are terrible and if you are buying coins based on photos good luck. This coin sold for $111,000.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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I paid $390K for a coin based on photos. I have made well over $1 million in coin purchases based on photos. Covid and the internet have made those arrangements almost a necessity. Happy as a clam having made those purchases. 
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com
Edited by numismatic student 03/24/2022 5:53 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
11894 Posts |
This seller is one of the best known high-end rare coin dealers and I am sure that they are displaying this coin in the best possible light to optimize its selling price. More often than not the pictures are better than the actual coin. I shudder to think what it looks like in hand.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I shudder to think what it looks like in hand. I bet it would be difficult to look at because of how dark the toning is. Similar to large cents, some silver coins can have such a dark patina that viewing them is difficult in normal lighting conditions. This looks to be one of them. The splotchy toning doesn't help either.
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Pillar of the Community
Taiwan
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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You could have posted new photos without revealing the grade for the standard 2 days.
For a superb gem proof, the new photos show really poorly struck hair on liberty. I wish that I could get NGC to give my coins superb gem grades for my poorly struck, marked up coins. I also wouldn't say that the toning adds to the eye appeal.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com
Edited by numismatic student 03/24/2022 6:59 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
735 Posts |
Wow thats graded high...
I've been collecting for a couple years... Favorite Coin's are Standing Liberty quarters, Working on my type set | Coffee, Corvettes, Coins & the CCF what could be better?
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
11894 Posts |
Heritage photos always look jacked up with weird lighting. The in-holder photos in the same ha listing are more true and look similar to the original post. One of the most banged-up superb gems that I have encountered.  
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com
Edited by numismatic student 03/24/2022 7:18 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Taiwan
606 Posts |
My apologies for revealing the grade. I was more concentrated on showing a different view. All the best.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4469 Posts |
The coin toning does not look natural, and maybe now the coin is turning darker in the holder. With the coin getting a 67, there is some insider stuff going on. The TPG's really make the hobby challenging with good old boys club grading, approving what is NT and AT and grade inflation. The TPG's have a financial incentive to inflate grades as it creates crack outs of the older holders to be resubmitted for grading.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
752 Posts |
I have noticed that my PCGS graded coins that were in Heritage or Stacks and Bowers auctions tend to be the most liberally graded coins I have. I have an 1814 dime in an AU(55) holder that is nice, but has some weird small scratches on the reverse that is both straight graded and CACed. I love the coin, and I bought it knowing what it is--but I have to suspect that TPG and CAC both seem more likely to look kindly on coins when auction houses submit them.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Waste of time trying to evaluate this coin from the images originally provided. Total waste of time. I'll try to be more careful in the future.
Edited by Coinfrog 03/24/2022 8:08 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
10625 Posts |
Quote: Waste of time trying to evaluate this coin from the images originally provided. Total waste of time. I'll try to be more careful in the future. I have to agree.....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1048 Posts |
I'm at PR61. Just can't see how a coin with so many abrasions can be even MS 65, much less 67.
Edited by pristine2 03/25/2022 2:37 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3652 Posts |
That's no 67. It's a space station . . . 
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