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Also NOT my coin--again, the grade surprises me. Maybe your experience will teach me something so that these grades don't surprise me. Again, it is easy to find this coin for sale online, and that would just spoil the fun!   |
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Is this the one in the NGC holder? If so I think it's over graded, not by a lot but enough that I would want it at a large discount, I get this is a super rare date, but that shouldn't make a coin get an upgrade just due to it's rarity.
I'm pretty sure I know the coin so I'll hold off putting out the grade, but I think its a really nice VF35+ (not even close to the label in the holder it lives in says).
EDIT: I verified this is the coin I was thinking of. The other descriptions have placed a lot more luster on the coin than these photos show, though I'm not inclined to up my grade any, I too was trying to learn from it, but with so few of these around it's hard to compare apples to apples. I'm erring on an EAC style grade.
Great coin for study Adam590! We should all learn and discuss this one, I agree it's a head scratcher.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
03/27/2022 10:09 pm
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Weak strike, lots of chatter, XF-45.
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Hints of luster persist on the reverse. My first thought was VF-30 but the presence of luster suggests an XF grade might be correct.
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I am at XF45. Like the other coin soft strike on center. On this coin the strike on the right wing and stars are also soft. The stars on left and wing tips show very little wear. Below are photo's of a 1802 MS61 with the issue of the strike on center.   |
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I'm at a technical XF45, though it lacks eye appeal. Surfaces do not look original either.
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I bet it's graded XF45 but it looks more like a 35 to me. I bet it took a lot of chemistry to come up with that luster.
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these are so tough to grade when the disparity between the obverse and reverse is so far different. if I only say the obverse I would grade it VF35+. if I only saw the reverse I would grade it AU50. this is why I never collected this series. how far do they degrade these coins for strike? do they net grade them or just knock them down a peg or two.
in my mind the coin is XF45 held up by the reverse
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I too am trying to learn what details the graders are seeing with this difficult series. I think it is safe to say that very few of us may have the expertise to accurately grade these high dollar rare coins.
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Not my wheelhouse but I'll toss out an AU50 WAG.
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I believe this one goes to the striking characteristics of this date and die set. I can say nobody has it yet you will all be pretty surprised, I'll let Adam do the deed, but safe to say I'm am not in agreement with the TPGs on this one. Weak strike or not. Slider appreciate the other coin photo, I can see a low end MS grade as there really are no wear or even rub.contact marks (usually a darker spot) showing on the coin anywhere I can tell. In spite of the weak strike it does appear to be uncirculated. MisterT: I agree it's tough to get hands on with some of the tougher rarities. If you are in the right area though (I happen to be) Like Dallas, LA/Long Beach, Orlando, NYC or Baltimore. Then you have access to the auction houses, and you can always go to them for lot viewing, I stop by Heritage enough just for the reason of looking at a lot of coins in hand, also don't forget to reserve some time (an hour or two) at any major coin show you may attend to do the same - lot viewing, it allows one to get coins in hand they normally would not have a chance to see. I've held so many rarities it's unreal, multiple 1804 dollars, 1913 Liberty nickels,1894-S dimes, patterns, proof gold, Brasher doubloons, condition census graded coins, uncirculated 1793 cents, etc. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
03/28/2022 4:44 pm
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Yeah, this one also seems graded a but high.  |
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So it appears to have downgraded since I had last seen it, then it was in an AU55 NGC holder. Still over graded in my eyes. Here is one time previously in an auction these photos show a bit more luster. https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-dime...bnail-071515"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Boy, I strongly disagree with that one.
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I think grading this series from pics alone is a bit futile, unless you're dealing with a well struck example. Not saying it's pointless to share these by any means. It's a great learning tool and gives all of us a chance to see how the TPGs viewed the coin. Just saying, attempting to learn how to grade by pics alone will be a frustrating task. There's only so much one can determine from pics on such a difficult series. Unfortunately not many or any of us have the luxury of sitting down with dozens of mid-high grade examples, let alone a couple, to really study them in hand.
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