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Australia
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It just occurred to me that if the 1999 Australian republic referendum (or any in the future) had gone in favour of the "yes" campaign that Australia's coinage would have to be redesigned and all monarchist coins withdrawn from circulation.
As a noodler that would have been a tragedy!
I've suddenly become a staunch monarchist and am also dead against any resizing of Australia's coins as seen in New Zealand and the rest of Oceania that has resulted in many decades of coins withdrawn from circulation meaning noodler's pool of resources greatly diminished.
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United Kingdom
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all monarchist coins withdrawn from circulation I don't see why that would be necessary, unless a general redesign of all denominations was planned anyway. I have a friend who spent some time in India in the late 1980s and he told me that cupro-nickel quarter- and half-rupees from 1947 with the portrait of King George VI were then still regularly found in circulation. |
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 Australia
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Obviously, a violent revolution that overthrows a monarchy is going to see all the old despised monarch's coins withdrawn and destroyed, even if the currency theoretically remains the same. This happened most recently with the Shah of Iran in 1979. But if the transition is peaceful and even friendly, there's no need to withdraw and destroy old coins, unless the regime change also results in a coinage reform. Spanish Fascist dictator Franco died in 1975 and Juan Carlos I became King in his place. Pretty much everybody in Spain was glad Franco was finally dead, but Franco's coins could still be found in change right up until the next coinage reform in 1989.
Coinage reform is an inevitable byproduct of inflation, as the current coinage Australia makes is "too expensive". And yes, a coinage reform always makes the coins received in change "less interesting", simply because there's less variety. I was in Turkey in 2014; Turkey had just had a coinage reform in 2009 that saw all the old pre-2009 coinage withdrawn and destroyed. Those coins I got in change during that trip sure were boring, since none of the coins were over 5 years old.
There is a silver lining to major coinage reform: historically, it also sees a sharp spike in the interest in coin collecting. Our last coinage reform was going decimal in 1966. Australia has never since had so many coin collectors as it had in the period 1964-1968.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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I am sorry I can't see how being a republic is an issue. I doubt the coins would change much except for perhaps the coat of arms of Australia now sans the crown being on the side of the coins where the monarch once was.
Fiji switched to monarch free currency in 2012 and I have not heard any stories of coins with the Queen on them being banned. Tonga has always shown its own rulers and the Samoans their Supreme chief/Head of state, yet no great controversies there.
Plus would being a republic be such a bad thing, apart from Parliament ceremonies (And when was the last time a monarch vetoed anything in the Australian or New Zealand Parliaments) and Royal Tours - what role do these people even have in our lives downunder?
It doesn't matter if either country chooses monarchism or republicanism or not as it will make hardly an iota of difference in my opinion. You Australians can make your own coins, but us Kiws may find it harder as Mama England and Canada do all ours.
Personally I am pro Republican as I feel our countries are established enough to blaze our own paths without foreign interference.
But on the other side of the coin, countries with constitutional monarchies are amongst the most stable in the world like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands etc. So staying with our English overlords may keep us stable a bit longer. Of course I don't mean the absolute or strict monarchies like Suddy Arabia and Thailand.
As for noodling, our coins were reformed in 2006, so they already are boring, as one guy said on Numista, New Zealand is a numismatists desert.
Australian coins badly need an upgrade, its been 56 years now - time for something new. I mean you guys are carrying around these heavy and worthless 50 and 20 cent coins that no longer are useful. The reason we shrunk ours is to save our pockets.
I never find base metal coinages of the late 20th and early 21st century that interesting to noodle anyway. It presents little challenge and only a few varieties. Collecting precious metal coins is much more fun and historic.
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04/02/2022 2:33 pm
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Australia
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I never find base metal coinages of the late 20th and early 21st century that interesting to noodle anyway. It presents little challenge and only a few varieties. Collecting precious metal coins is much more fun and historic. Yes,i can't see the point but the Mints continue to churn it out so there must be a market with the younger generation of collectors. |
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Australia
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It just occurred to me that if the 1999 Australian republic referendum (or any in the future) had gone in favour of the "yes"
FWIW - this was a rigged referendum. The question was not "Do you want a republic?" but "Do you want a republic where the president is not elected by the people?" It was akin to asking if you want a snickers bar that's been retrieved from a toilet bowl and when you say no it is concluded that you don't want a snickers bar. |
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 Australia
1985 Posts |
I know noodlers are considered "cheapskates" by collectors who only buy precious metal coins but not all of us have deep pockets. The thrill of finding a valuable coin is much greater than simply buying one. I am interested in coins not politics and I would loose almost all interest in Australian decimal coins if I couldn't noodle them. The whole point of becoming a republic is to cut ties with Her Royal Majesty. Do you really think the government would allow her image to remain plastered all over our coins. It would be a good reason to redesign Australian coins and withdraw all currently circulating coins from circulation. Quote:
As for noodling, our coins were reformed in 2006, so they already are boring, as one guy said on Numista, New Zealand is a numismatists desert. That is exactly the point I am trying to make. It would be devastating (and boring as hell) for Australian noodlers if all currently circulating coins were withdrawn from circulation for whatever reason. Quote:
I never find base metal coinages of the late 20th and early 21st century that interesting to noodle anyway. It presents little challenge and only a few varieties. You'd be surprised just how challenging it is to noodle a full set of Australian circulation decimal coins. I might start a new thread about noodling a full set from scratch. |
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Please do!
I have also noodled the decimal sets of NZ, Australia and Fiji, it was me on the wayback thread last year showing you all my London and Canberra types of 5c and 10c coins.
Believe me I love noodling Australia decimal coins - all started with my discovery of the 1972 5c coin and the 1985 10 cent coin in a bag of travellers change - but in addition to my modern coin noodles, my blood craves silver coins - especially shillings and larger. Give me a juicy George V florin over a 1966 wavy 20c or 1988 20c any day!
Let us not forget the 78 different $2 coins I own of Australia too.
Basically - you are preaching to the choir!
I don't see how changing the monarch or republic status will change coin shapes. We could be noodling 1966 20 cent pieces into 2066!
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Australia
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...except for perhaps the coat of arms of Australia now sans the crown being on the side of the coins where the monarch once was... Just a point of trivia: the Australian coat of arms does not have, and never has had, a crown, or indeed any other monarchial symbolism. You may be recalling the design of the old florin, which clearly did have a giant crown perched atop the coat of arms. This was just one (of several) "technical mistakes" Kruger Gray made in designing the coat of arms on the florin. There are tiny crowns on the shield within the various state badges, but changing those would be up to the states; I suspect that the state badges wouldn't change until and unless the names of the states themselves get changed. Which would be odd, and against history; five of the thirteen American colonies had names derived from British monarchs (Virgina, Maryland, the Carolinas and Georgia), and none of those states changed names after their revolution. The coat of arms on the 1910 coinage was already obsolete and outdated when the coins were issued, and the coat of arms on the 50 cents is also technically incorrect as the grant of arms mentions nothing about having a grass background - you're supposed to either use wattle, or leave it blank. Which means that Australia didn't place a technically correct coat of arms on its coins until the Centenary of Federation 50 cents in 2001. Which is odd, given that they managed to get the coat of arms correct on every single Australian banknote that carried it. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Australia
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Sap...too much information,LOL,but interesting.
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Pillar of the Community
4628 Posts |
Not really Sap explained it well.
I think the Americans keep the regal names, as there is a side of them that seems to think they are as elegant as British royalty and they love some corrupted English names and words like Westchester and Salisbury Steak (Really a meat patty).
If we boot out the royals we don't have to boot our the names or language (Someone tell that to our PM who is Maorising every name).
At the end of the day, the Federal Republic of Australia will not affect coin sizes or shapes.
Of course we will change to Te Repakete a Aotearoa or the Peoples Democratic, Federative and Socialist Republic of Aotearoa.
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