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Is It OK To Ask Dealers To See If They Have Coins Available Without Buying Anything.

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 Posted 04/07/2022  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For what it's worth, I commonly go to dealers and ask if they have X. This usually means they either 1) search through their inventory database for X - this rarely takes more than a minute - or 2) point me to their album on the X-adjacent area.
In either case about 80% of the time I find that the prices are above what I expected (this could easily mean lower than average market prices, especially for scarcer types! or it could just mean that their example is a higher grade than what I was looking for) and don't actually buy anything. If an album is involved, sometimes my eyes catch on some random non-X item and I buy that instead.

If a dealer told me that it would take him several minutes to look for the item himself, I'd probably say something to the effect of "sorry, didn't want to bother you", look at the obvious inventory for a while, then probably leave.
In practice I usually get given an album (and/or a bin) and told to look for it myself. Sometimes there's multiple albums (or, even more commonly, multiple bins) to look through. This had been known to take as much as 2-3 hours. I don't know what the dealers think about that. I don't think I've heard of any of them complaining.

I mostly do not communicate with dealers by email; it's really not worth it most of the time. I suppose I could do it if I met them at a fair and wanted to know when and/or where their normal shop is open.
Back in my early CCF days I did talk by email with a few US-based dealers over possibly purchasing some US coins. The back-and-forth over shipping costs and/or payment methods usually took so long that they either 1) sent the items to me for free or 2) sold them to someone else.
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 Posted 04/09/2022  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hfjacinto - Can I ask if you are of colour? I ask that as some of your experiences are like mine, dealers telling you, that you can't afford stuff and only showing you one note at a time. This sounds dodgy as heck and I suspect these guys are being prejudiced towards you.

I can pass for white in the cool months, but in the summer I tan up and look browner like the Maori I am, in my country that is the same as being Black and some dealers don't take me seriously along with some collectors as they assume I am either too stupid to collect coins or I am likely to be too poor to buy anything other than junk and finally I am likely to steal their wares.

This ignorance is surprisingly common and I see it a lot, add to the fact I don't dress up (Casual beach wear in summer and trackies/ cheap sweatshirts in winter), add to that my "ethnic" name (You know your name is ethnic when no one can say it properly). Even the dealers I have great relations with, did not take me seriously until I brought some coins. My usual trick is I go in and charm them, get their confidence and the tell them my name. There is usually a blank look or sudden jolt of reaction, but that passes when they know I am real and sincere.

Plus where I live, our city is only 43% white, yet every collector I know apart from one wealthy Chinese guy, is 100% snow British white. I am the only person of colour who collects hardcore and I am seen as an object of curiosity for most and some never talk to me. Also its an elitism thing as I am not high or even middle class.

Finally if any of you encounter racism - walk the heck out of log off if its online. Never fuel or feed prejudice, even if your dream coin is sitting there at a give away price - never honour a bigot. Let them stew in their own hate.

Back to the topic - nothing wrong with asking to look before you buy. I mean if the dealer has nothing you want or you get a pang of remorse like "Maybe I should pay that bill with this money or buy my mama a new car etc", it is not your fault, you are a human that feels emotions too.

If the dealer is nice, let them know what you want and you will buy that thing if they ever get it. Plus not every collector is so specific. You may just collect Bust Halves, but one day you may be in there to buy a mint set, dig through the melt silver or decide to take Princetane on and collect British halfcrowns!
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 Posted 04/10/2022  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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hfjacinto - Can I ask if you are of colour? I ask that as some of your experiences are like mine, dealers telling you, that you can't afford stuff and only showing you one note at a time. This sounds dodgy as heck and I suspect these guys are being prejudiced towards you.


I'm originally from Portugal so I'm European originally. I don't think it has anything to do with race/color. I live in NJ in which we are about a diverse state as there is. I could be wrong but the way he treats me is his business model. He shows you what he feels you can afford. In the end in makes no difference to me, I'm more comfortable spending money where it's appreciated.
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 Posted 04/10/2022  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well thanks for clarifying that, still that dealer's business model needs an upgrade. Some of my notes still however apply to my experiences in New Zealand as a low income person of colour.

I know New Jersey is a diverse state - from New York lite with many Italian Americans, up to heartland America in the far north west of it.
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