1845 $1 Liberty Seated Silver Dollar

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numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 04/08/2022 11:44 pm $986. This is a scarce, low mintage issue with just 24,500 coins struck. This coin is in a PCGS AU Details - Environmental Damage holder. I was looking at the pictures and it doesn't look like it has ED to me. I think the white scratch in the left obverse field is on the holder. Thoughts on grade and the ED designation? Thanks! IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff

Ty2020b Pillar of the Community United States 4680 Posts	Posted 04/08/2022 11:51 pm I'll await in hand pics. AU something, possibly details, but can't make out surface preservation with these pics. Why not go for a problem free XF for about the same price? Or a problem free low-mid AU for not that much more? Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 04/08/2022 11:58 pm I would encourage you to look at coins of this date at the grades you suggested, look at the prices, and see what the coins look like compared to this one. This isn't like a common date Morgan where you can find hundreds of attractive examples. This is an AU55 CAC example that sold for $2,640. Compare the strike of Liberty's head to the one on this coin. https://coins.ha.com/itm/a/1272-5042.s IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 04/09/2022 12:19 am Report this Post to the Staff
Jaobler Pillar of the Community United States 6384 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 12:48 am This is a very well-struck example and the surface problem is pretty subtle. Wonder if it would benefit from conservation? Maybe you could get it into a problem-free slab.... Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 12:52 am Comparison to an XF40 coin that sold for $960 plus $20 in shipping, so essentially the same price. https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...2-ef-40-PCGS IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 12:57 am Looking forward to seeing the ED in this coin that seems to be hiding in these pictures. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
Slider23 Pillar of the Community United States 4469 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 01:13 am AU55/53 The dark spot to the right of the eagle's wing looks like it could be a depression that was caused from ED. Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 01:20 am I agree that this might be it. Would be happy if that was the extent of it. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
BH1964 Bedrock of the Community United States 10982 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 03:03 am My guess is the coin is very dark, so dark that PCGS deemed it to be environmental damage. Sometimes toning gets to the point of environmental damage. I have seen PCGS graded ED details pieces that were simply very dark and that looks like the case here. ANA #R3154474 Report this Post to the Staff
echidna Pillar of the Community Australia 599 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 03:12 am Pics are very dark and impossible to see whats going on. Its the sort of coin that you just buy and take a chance. Watch your top knot Report this Post to the Staff
Onedollarbillnut Pillar of the Community United States 745 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 08:34 am Is that a scratch by liberty's right elbow or a clash mark? Tim Hughes Report this Post to the Staff
Ty2020b Pillar of the Community United States 4680 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 08:35 am Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily saying it was a bad purchase. I'm not great with this series, but strike looks above average, so it has that going for it. Beyond that , I cant make heads or tales on the possible ED or surface preservation with these images, we're all just speculating. May be a case of some dark toning or a few dark patches, may be more extreme and something we're not seeing. If it's minor, may turn out to be a great purchase for the price. I've bought detailed slabs that I thought weren't egregious enough to warrant the designation IMO, and been more than happy with them. If you're happy with it, that's all that counts. My point/question being; you have some excellent examples, coins most of us would love to own. Why not hold out (yes I known, it's not a common date and may actually take time to find a nice example) on an example with solid images which leave the majority of the guess work out of it? Not saying you're wrong in your process, just a different approach than mine. Nonetheless, it does make for a great thread, and of course, hoping the "problems" are minor and turns out a great purchase Report this Post to the Staff
paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 12:34 pm Would like to see a close-up of Miss Liberty's shield. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 12:41 pm Thanks for sharing your thoughts. From the very beginning of my coin collecting, it's been about the anticipation of the treasure hunt. Blurry photos ,not knowing everything ex ante and the discovery of something special are a great part of this hobby for me to this day. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 12:50 pm IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 04/09/2022 12:52 pm A bit concerned about the dark area halfway down the bars beneath ER but the pictures are too blurry at the moment. And yes, the excitement of the hunt, and the unknown, is one of the things that keep this hobby interesting! Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Report this Post to the Staff
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