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Why Did Canada And Wales Mint Australian Coins In 1981?

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What was going on at the RAM in 1981 that they felt the need to get the Llantrisant mint in Wales and the Winnipeg mint in Canada to also mint 5c, 10c and 20c coins?

The RAM minted well over 60 million of each of these denominations themselves in 1981.

Any ideas?
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My theories

1. Severe inflation at the time, the 1980s saw inflation of 15% a year at times and these denominations became major change coins.

2. Triggersmob told me this theory and it makes sense mostly for 1981/82. The video space invader games really took off at the end of the 1970s and beginning of the 1980s and parlours full of these machines (Called spacies in New Zealand) sprung up everywhere. Most of these games required 20 cent coins to play and that is why jumbo mintages of these coins were required in 1981 and 1982.
The craze persisted and attracted its share of moral panics, but really did not die off until the rise of home game systems like Nintendo and Sega in the later 80s and 1990s. Also by the 1990s, many games were more complex and cost $1 or $2 per play instead of 20 cents.

Numbers in NZ collapsed away in 1983 and Australia did not officially issue any more circulation 20 cent coins until 1994 (Okay if you include a handful of 1988s) and the official story was that Australia minted many more coins for 1983 and 1984 and these ended up being melted.

3. Other machines required coins - the 70s and 80s saw an explosion of vending machines, parking meters, gambling machines (One armed bandits) that required change. The 5c, 10c and 20c were popular. The stupid shape of the 50c ensured it was not popular with slot machines. Plus in 1981 at least, 50c was still worth something more than 5 minutes of parking, a game of Galaga or a can of Passiona.

4. The coins were getting lost or used up more than usual (Many of the coins were being used in New Zealand and various Pacific islands).

Of course the Australian mints had a limited capacity and the bigger mints in Canada and Wales could help out.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks princetane


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Australian mints had a limited capacity and the bigger mints in Canada and Wales could help out.


That's a bit embarrassing
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2. Triggersmob told me this theory and it makes sense mostly for 1981/82. The video space invader games really took off at the end of the 1970s and beginning of the 1980s and parlours full of these machines (Called spacies in New Zealand) sprung up everywhere. Most of these games required 20 cent coins to play and that is why jumbo mintages of these coins were required in 1981 and 1982.
The craze persisted and attracted its share of moral panics, but really did not die off until the rise of home game systems like Nintendo and Sega in the later 80s and 1990s. Also by the 1990s, many games were more complex and cost $1 or $2 per play instead of 20 cents.


I think this is a myth. A similar myth relates to a shortage of 100 Yen coins in Japan when Space Invaders kick started the whole video arcade period in early '78. There is no evidence to support this and mintages of 100Y coins were lower in '78 and '79. Most arcades emptied the machines and took the coins to the bank so they went back into circulation. I suspect the uptake of video gaming was greater in Japan than Australia.
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I am amazed that Japan would charge 100 Yen ($1.25) to play a video game in 1978.

Plus these games came from Japan and their technologu was the best in the world in the 70s and 80s, its plausible.

The video game thing must have had some credibility as the numbers of parlours opening up peaked in 1982 (According to my December 1983 Consumer which has a moral panic article about them). It mentioned garbage like most people who played them were hoodlums and it showed mostly beafroed Maori kids wearing adidas trackpants and Nomads standing at the wooden consoles.

In reality it was the unscrupulous operators that ran these parlours. The article mentioned stories of kids breaking $10 and $20 notes, most likely stolen into 20 cent pieces and spending all day playing the machines along with guys selling marijuana and other things there in the dark fetid air.

It was a HUGE fad David during 1981 and 1982 and right up to 1985 here.

Plus I think the need for them as a coin of commerce (A big gap between them and the 50c) and also for other machines like food vending and parking meters.
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I believe that industrial action at the mint at that time forced the mint to look overseas to keep up production.
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It was a HUGE fad David during 1981 and 1982 and right up to 1985 here.

Yeah, it was a huge fad in Australia. Having been born in 1970 I was in my early teens when it hit so I remember it well. As big as it was, I don't believe it was as big as in Japan where it all started. I think there still are video arcades in Japan whereas they have all gone in Oz. If it was bigger in Japan yet didn't cause a coin shortage, I'm not sure why it would have in Oz. Also, we used to play video games at Grundies, down the coast. All their machines used Grundy tokens. Not sure how many other large arcades did that. And as I said, all the coins put through the machines were back in circulation the next day.
Would also like to know what the split was in machines between arcades and snack bars. Almost every snack bar had at least 1 machine, sometimes 2-3. Who remembers the glass topped dual machines? They always had those hour glass plastic chairs. You'd put your burger and shake on the glass surface while you played your mate. And I'm still dirty at my best mate for winning an Atari game system (the bees knees at the time) with a paddle pop at a petrol station when his family already had one! Talk about unfair!!!


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Plus I think the need for them as a coin of commerce (A big gap between them and the 50c) and also for other machines like food vending and parking meters.

This sound more credible.
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That is so funny you mention that, I am a bit younger (1976) but my older brother and his friends all played them. I only started playing them around 1984 and was quite useless at them. The only one I could play well was Galaga.

You mention Grundy tokens, some places had their own tokens - but I remember we had one place called Wizzards and it had about 200 machines and it operated between 1981 and 2000. Most of the time it was just for casual players, but you could hire it at night and I remember our school and scout pack would get a 2 hour block from 7 to 9. Each kid paid $5 and they fixed all the machines so they were on unlimited credit. You would go in there, they locked the doors and you played for the 2 hours. At 9pm exactly all the machines went off regardless of if you were playing or not.

Great days, sure it would break health and safety as they had a burga bar and no fire exits. The place was okay until 1989 when some gambling machines were brought in and they caused crime so were taken out in 1993.

They also got into trouble when it turned out that they were not changing bank notes properly when people got only 22 x 20 cent coins for $5 and 45 x 20 for $10 notes.

I remember some kids got death addicted as the place was 24hrs Friday to Sunday (2 hour party nights were Mon to Thurs only) and some kids would blow through $100 in the 48hrs.

It was finally closed down in 2000 along with a notorious bar called the Doghouse which had 3 floors of spacies in a 15ft floor, with tiny floors, dark and dirty surrounds etc.

Many 20 cent coins disappeared in these dens.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/c...me-gold-rush

Mentions the 1980s craze for 20 cent coins in these places.
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There was increased demand for low-denomination coinage in the early 1980s due to the rise of coin-operated machines generaly (including video games), but this alone is not the full explanation. I agree with airgem. The RAM ordinarily would have had capacity, but a strike by mint workers reduced capacity and caused the government to outsource coinage production overseas.

This same industrial action is what has been blamed for the "round aussie rules football" mistake on the Commonwealth Games $10 silver coin, with the coinciding description of the sport on some of the $10 packaging as "volleyball". Volleyball is not, and never has been, a Commonwealth Games sport, but Aussie Rules was played here in 1982 as an official demonstration sport. But the Mint strike meant that the people normally doing such fact-checking weren't on the job.

The arrival of the $1 coin in 1984 reduced circulation pressure on the smaller denominations, as peoiple began to use them in place of handfuls of 20 cent pieces. This, along with the oversupply from the foreign mints, caused a glut in supply of 20 cent coins in particular; millions of unissued 1984 20 cent coins sat around in vaults for years, before most were eventually melted down again.
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The only one I could play well was Galaga.

Ah, Galaga. That brings back memories. Galaga, Galaxia, Moon Patrol and Frogger were the main games we played at Grundies. I should point out that the Grundy tokens were about the same size as a 2c piece and some of the less fussy machines would happily take a 2c piece in lieu of a Grundy token. We probably played those non-fussy machines a bit more (while keeping a wary eye out for the security guards!). I think each Grundy token cost 25c but it was a while ago so don't quote me on that.

On a side note, people weren't using their loose change on condom vending machines (not in Qld at any rate). They were still banned in the late 80s. In my first year at Uni the Student Union installed one in the student toilets and the police came with jimmies and tore it off the wall. The bent up machine was pictured in the local rag. Laughable when you think of all the condom vending machines in almost every petrol station toilet these days.
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I think each Grundy token cost 25c but it was a while ago so don't quote me on that.

Only time I ever went to Grundy's in the mid to late 80s, the tokens were 3 for $1.

Which is of course the beauty of using tokens. You can bump up your prices across the board without having to go to the expense of re-tooling every machine, simply by raising the cost of a token.
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Plus, with tokens, you just recycled them from the machine and didn't have to take the profit to the bank in coinage.
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We had the same thing here later. Big and brighter machines like the ride on ones and the cased shooter ones cost more than 20c a play and a company called "Time Out" started selling brass tokens that cost like $1 each or 3 for $2. By 1992 every game was $1 or $2 to cash in with the new greed for better games and the new $1 and $2 released in 1991. Yet many arcades kept a retro section with old 20 cent games - yet most were "tooled up" to be 50 cent games or only worked with 2 x 20c coins.

Our 50c unlike yours was round and only marginally larger. Inflation meant the 50 cents took over from the 20 cents.

As for condom machines, I was too young, but know here in New Zealand when Labour came in 1984, they made u a free market economy and all sorts of things got legalised - I would say they showed up by 1987, as young kids we still sniggered about things like that calling them GI Rubber Joes and French envelopes etc.

The person who mentioned the dollar coin (Sap) that is a good point and explains a lot, I would never have guessed that as we did not get $1 coins until 7 years after you guys.
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Also not forgetting the fishing twine looped around the coin and tied to the end so it could be retreived from the slot after the machine gave you a credit.

I also played 1942, Tetris, Space Invaders, Pacman, Frogger, Olympic Games 1984 and I forget the name, but the one you ride around on the horse as a knight and turn into a skeleton before you die.

By 1991 I got a Sega Master system for Christmas and gave up the arcades, it was Sonic from that point on!
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Only time I ever went to Grundy's in the mid to late 80s, the tokens were 3 for $1.

Are u a Queenslander Sap? Or was there more than 1 Grundy's Entertainment Centre? Price may have been 3 for $1.

PT - I think you are reading too much into the greed factor. From what I can gather, video arcades took over from sleezy pinball arcades but the appeal to the younger generation meant that many of the new establishments were more family oriented. In such a competitive market I'm pretty certain new cutting edge games came at a cost. The producers of these games were not fools and priced the purchase/hire agreements accordingly.


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Also not forgetting the fishing twine looped around the coin and tied to the end so it could be retreived from the slot after the machine gave you a credit.

Ha ha... That reminds me of a ruse with public telephones in Surfers Paradise when we were young teens. I used a public telephone to call home(yep, mobiles phones didn't exist then). The telephone gobbled up my money but I couldn't make the call. As I walked away I noticed an older teenager approach the machine and heard the sound of coins being ejected. Me and my mate watched this for a while and observed there were 3 teenagers working the telephones. We approached one of them and said we knew something was up but we just wanted our money back. He not only gave me my money back but told us how they worked the telephones. The telephones didn't take 50c pieces. If you did insert a 50c piece it got jammed inside. The kids basically loaded all the telephones (10-12 from memory) with 50c pieces. As punters (mainly tourists) made a call, their money got caught up behind the 50c piece. With the 50c piece jamming the machine the punter couldn't get their money back so eventually left empty handed. Once they left, the felons would use a paddle pop stick to force the 50c piece and other change through the telephone so it came out in the reject chute. They would keep the change and re-insert the 50c piece to prime the telephone for the next sucker. He had at least $10 in his pocket. Reckon they were clearing $50-100 a day. Pretty ingenious in a way....


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As for condom machines, I was too young, but know here in New Zealand when Labour came in 1984, they made u a free market economy and all sorts of things got legalised - I would say they showed up by 1987, as young kids we still sniggered about things like that calling them GI Rubber Joes and French envelopes etc.

I grew up in the good old Joh Bjelke Petersen era in Qld where christian morals were enshrined in law while brothels and corrupt coppers (and ministers) profited. In the early 90s we still had 9-5 trading except Thursday evenings and no trading on a Sunday (I think the brothels still traded). Even to this day Qld has archaic liquor laws. I envy those who get the great value Aldi wine packs down south but sorry, not available in Qld.
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Are u a Queenslander Sap? Or was there more than 1 Grundy's Entertainment Centre? Price may have been 3 for $1.

Yep. Raised in Brisbane. But I can't cheer for my "state of origin" until they let a team from Ontario play, because I was born in Canada.

And yes, there was only one. "Grundy's, at Paradise Centre, Surfers Paradise". Any kid growing up in Brisbane on Saturday Morning Cartoons in the seventies and eighties knew that address, thanks to the advertising jingle, even if they'd never been to Grundy's, or anywhere else on the Gold Coast. My family always did Sunshine Coast for holidays instead, as the family owned a fibro holiday shack up there.
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