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1896 O Morgan Question.

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 Posted 05/15/2022  08:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I think I am getting better at vetting Morgans, but this one I need help with.

Is this an 1896 O Regular strike?
1896 Micro o ?
1896 Micro o counterfeit?

Diameter is right, it looks right under a loupe, weights right for a cull (25.80), and pings.

Any thoughts would be appreciated!!

Thanks,
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 Posted 05/18/2022  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks genuine, although not a micro o variety.
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 Posted 05/18/2022  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrhakfbacon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks genuine
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 Posted 05/18/2022  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@jac & mrh thanks. I've concluded it's a regular O. I wasn't necessarily concerned it was fake, but happy for the confirmation!
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 Posted 01/02/2024  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steelheadwill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1896-0 vam-27 looks quite similar and is one of the privately made issues.
http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...896-O_VAM-27
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 Posted 01/02/2024  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
steelheadwill has given you the link to what I think you were referring too, with the "counterfeit" (privately made). I do not see the die crack at TED though. You would need to get closeups of those areas to confirm or deny.
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Agreed makescents,
I think there's 3 different examples shown
and described in vamworlds 1896o 'privately made'
Grouping with C3 reverse and large O, these
are about as difficult to identify as they come
Especially when dealing with online photos.
Others can be spotted easily, as with the slanted
micro o's, any with the prominent die cracks at un
of unum, or one of the many with incorrect
reverse type for year.
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steelheadwill, it is very apparent that you are much more well versed in these than I will ever be. What very little I know about them has just been read, never laid hands on any year of the privately made. Very cool piece of history though.
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 Posted 01/05/2024  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello everyone,

When I get back to Rome tomorrow, I will post a few more photos of this coin...thank you @steelheadwill this makes the research and the coin more interesting to me...

More soon.
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Rome21 and makescents,
The online vamworld listings make it fairly simple to id most of these contemporary counterfeit issues, much simpler than using the Morgan and Peace dollar book. Later issues seem more common, they're documented 1893-1902,
I've found many on the bay listed as genuine, if they're already id'ed
As cfts, the price goes up. Easiest to spot are those with wrong reverse for date, it changed in 1901. Here's an article detailing the PUP'S.
http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...4C3-C3_Comps
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Thanks @ steelhead... I'll read over the article, look closely at the coin, and send some photos when I get settled tomorrow night... Thanks again.

This one wasnt in my 'sell tube' because the 'o' was still throwing me off... Happy the thread got revisited.
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Looks genuine.
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 Posted 01/06/2024  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a few more photos... I don't see immediate evidence that it is the "privately made" VAM mentioned above...


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