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  Haven't seen anything quite like this personally. Seems to have what I believe is four, possibly five noses and beards visible on obverse of this coin. Any information would be certainly appreciated. Thank you all
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 . Not a doubled die,it is zinc rot. John1  |
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Cool..can you please post so I may see the examples that get you to your decision please? Ive seen zinc rot, just not in suck a way that created so much doubling. Thank you sir for your evidence
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Pillar of the Community
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The facial area is not doubled, it kind of looks like there may be something on the coin(stained or environmental damage). For it to be a doubled die it would have to be raised like the rest of the face where as this is level with the fields, this is a spender. Edit:or as John said it could all just be zinc rot which is very noticeable on the chin Edited by Wrekkdd
06/17/2022 05:20 am
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Again I'm asking for evidence of previous coins similar to this one that bring you to your conclusion. I'm searching for hard proof, perhaps I should have said that in the post, my fault.
Would the clear doubling on the letters in many of the words not account for anything?
With all the knowledge present, I'm hoping for some solid proof to be assured it's a spendor. Without that, I'll ask for opinions to be kept reserved please
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The search bar here can tell you many things, there is several forms of doubling but the only real error doubling is a doubled die, and it is actually considered a variety and not error I believe. There may be some slight Machienes doubling in some of the devices but it's common and adds no premium. As for an example of the same thing there are hundreds of examples of zinc rot and Environmental damage posted here monthly. I recommend searching doubled dies in the search bar here, you will learn to see the difference between MD, DDD, Split plat doubling, and a true doubled die. You will hopefully get some more responses but I can guarantee and error expert can look at this coin and tell within seconds what happening and it's only damage. Edited by Wrekkdd
06/17/2022 06:01 am
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I understand what you guys are saying pertaining to zinc rot, absolutely, and I do agree on that point, I guess I asked wrong. I am in a way saying, how does zinc rot create the extra beards and noses. Also if you guys will zoom in on the photo, I can clearly make out three bow ties, along with another set of numbers with 9 being the most legible to me. Take a moment and really examine the photo if you will. I agree with there being some zinc rot but there is so much more
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Bedrock of the Community
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Might be beneficial to post a couple sharp images taken at a slight angle of the feature(s) in question--perhaps a shot from the lower right and one from the upper right. Taken at an angle, not vertical. The idea is to get a sense for relief/texture. At this point, I'm seeing a post-strike issue--the coin didn't leave the striking chamber in this condition.
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-makecents-
Edited by -makecents-
06/17/2022 07:09 am
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10 4 I'll get some pictures like you mentioned this evening when I get home. Just because I'm curious I have to ask, how are you certain the coin didn't leave the striking post like this? I know it's "dirty",but I can see four T's, on the second T in trust, two I'd and two N's in the word IN, and three L's in liberty. Surely I'm not the only one seeing it?
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Lol so many seem to be certain as if there is no possibility of this being something never before seen. I look forward to taking the pictures this evening. Let's all hope this is some unicorn of a coin so we may all be blessed with it's comings
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Bedrock of the Community
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Reds_brother18...
Looking forward to the new images. Please understand, you have the coin in-hand and can view it from any angle in any lighting. You can use magnification in any way you prefer. All we have are the static images you post. Again, eager to see what new pics you come up with. Thanks.
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Lol so many seem to be certain as if there is no possibility of this being something never before seen. Many collectors have spent decades to know what we currently know about errors. There is only a set amount if things that are possible to happen during the minting process so narrowing down. What's possible and what's not is easy. When it comes to everything else it can only be damage. There are some mint employee made errors but they are all well documented and I can say for sure this is not one. You can post some more pictures but I think the consensus from everyone is damage. Edit: I'm sure Coop will be along eventually, if you would like to learn about errors and the striking process the Coop home page forum has tonz of great info. Edited by Wrekkdd
06/17/2022 08:04 am
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 with above. In addition - there are finite ways an error occurs on a coin, but infinite ways to damage one. From what I have seen - every damaged coin is a unique damaged coin, never have I seen identical damage done to a coin, but errors are repeatable (such as doubled dies, RPM's and OMM's to name a few. Then there are "die events" such as cracked or broken dies, planchet flaws, annealing issues, laminations and such. To nail down your particular 'damaged' coin and the source of how the damage occurred, is difficult to say the least. To recognize a coin with 'zinc rot, or a stain is easy, it may not be identical - but similar. And THAT is what we go by in most cases. Sometimes we are wrong but most times we are not - after all we are not paid professionals here and above all else, we do not have the coin in hand to observe what is going on with it. There are a few people here on this site that are paid pros (such as Mike Diamond) that can at time offer their opinion on an coin submitted here, but not always. If you really think you have something VERY special - you have the option to send it to a TPG and get it evaluated that way - at a very expensive cost, of course. If you do sent it in, we only ask that you follow-up here with the results so we may all benefit from it. |
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Forum Dad
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Sorry but it's 100% clear it's not a DDO. Doubled dies just do not look like that. |
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Posted 06/17/2022 04:40 am
