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I agree with you steev and respectfully disagree with coppercoins. In a lot of 10,000 dateless, more than 75% will be teens and 1916 will be very prevalent. There is virtually no statistical chance that 1916 will NOT be represented in a group of 10,000.
Thanks for the confirmation, foundinrolls. I appreciate you coming back to the thread.
Peace.
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I have to disagree with foundinrolls on lower feather area on coin number 4 that is a well placed die chip not a doubled die the rest of the coin exhibits MD sure looks like that to me like coppercoins said. I think the images are not really raised there more shelf like flat in there nature just my opinion JAZEC Image:  2009212_bufdoubl4.jpg53.4 KB Edited by Jazzcoins
02/15/2009 1:33 pm
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Jazz - I guess we won't know for absolute certain until mycrob sends it in to ANACS, but I think the most telling features in photo number 4 are the hair ribbons, particularly the forward-most ribbon. Compare the ribbons in mycrob's original number 4 photo to the ribbons in the photo below, which is of a restored but, no-doubt-about-it, 1916DDO. Note the extra width in both ribbons and the separation in the forward-most ribbon.  |
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Well we only have to see you are correct but I see a little different feature in the op's pic 4 then the photo you posted > There;s a die chip on the lower feather on the op's coin and it looks different on you coin there;s no die chip present on the coin you posted.I do agree with you we have to see after he sends the coin in.  JAZEC Edited by Jazzcoins
02/15/2009 4:19 pm
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I'm working on sending coin #4 in to ANACS and trying to decide whether to send several of the others in for research. Coin #5 is especially interesting, because the doubled feathers are MORE prominent than coin #4. Some of the other coins have about the same degree of doubling in the feathers as coin #4, but nothing is going on in the ribbons of the other coins. So I do not think the other coins are 16 DDO, but something else. Possibly new discoveries? I do agree that some of these coins feature Machine Doubling on the chin, neck, forehead, but the doubling in the feathers is well-separated and not flat and I do think there is something more going on than Machine Doubling in the featehrs especially coin #4 and 5. The ribbons on coin #4 I showed in the original post do have the characteristic doubling seen in the 16 DDO, but heavy wear keeps it from running the full length of the ribbon If some folks here think that all 9 of these are all Machine Doubling, yet #4 comes back as a DDO, it seems to me that the MD definition is far too loose or something. Or that it is being applied way too liberally, perhaps to err on the side of sketicism? Stay tuned... |
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I'm working on sending coin #4 in to ANACS I would. Why not? swcoin.ecrater.com
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Very interesting thread! Makes me think I should go back thru my hundreds of no date, no mint mark buffaloes...mycob, I'm sure you will let us all know. Inquiring minds want to know....Good luck |
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Hi, I think that it should be mentioned at this point that Jazz seems to have made it his life work on this and another forum to contradict anything I say. He is entitled to his opinion. The people here and on the other forum can choose who they think has it right. I came back and acknowledged my error. That is my practice. If I miss something I say so. I am surprised that I didn't see a contrary post by Jazz when I said that there were no doubled dies up there. Anyway....I won't get into battles of wits with an unarmed assailant. I will post my thoughts and opinions and leave it at that. The rest of the planet can choose who is more likely to be correct. #4 looks like the DDO to me. Thanks, Bill |
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Yes that's what these forums are all about it;s about opinions correct FOUNDINROLLS. You are also correct in the statement you made people will judge who they think is right I do agree with that too an opinion is just an opinion until the coin is sent in to be attributed and if i;m wrong I will except that I have no problem with that at all really.
The only statement were your wrong i;m not trying to make you appear wrong all the time I don;t know were you got that one from it;s the other way around.peace foundinrolls.
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02/17/2009 10:07 am
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I am still trying to decide on whether to include some of the other coins in the original post for research. It would be nice to have more feedback on the other ones, especially coin #5, which has doubled feathers that are MORE prominent than coin #4 (the probable 16 DDO). Some of the other ones look very interesting, too, but I'd hate to send in all these and all come back body-bagged. I'll let you know when I send coin #4 into ANACS- probably in a week or two, after I get more feedback on the other coins I originally posted. Edited by mycrob
02/18/2009 09:08 am
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Mycrob - Having reviewed the photos of all the coins you posted here, and having looked at the photo by weerdsteev and other photos to which I have offline access, I have come up with the following: Coin #4 is definitely the doubled die. No question about it. The spacing and attributes are perfect for the 1916 doubled die, and no amount of Machine Doubling can mimmick that. Congrats. NONE of the other coins, however, are doubled dies at all. All of them exhibit specific traits of Machine Doubling, and would be a waste of time and money to a grading company. Buffalo nickels are not my game - I made that obvious earlier. I do apologize for the misinformation I dealt in this thread, that is a rare thing. Usually I keep my mouth shut when I don't know and this time I assumed and assumed wrong. Die varieties, however, ARE my thing, and I can see a die variety and recognize it when I see it. The advice I give in this post is educated advice even though I don't know anything about date distribution in dateless Buffalo nickels. A doubled die is a doubled die, and all doubled dies from the same die match one another perfectly in certain ways. In that I have more than 20 years experience. |
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I appreciate you coming back to the thread, CC and re-examining the coin and verifying it. Thanks so much. I feel better about sending #4 in for certification. Does anyone have a population report on 16/16 DDO at NGC or PCGS or ANACS, and does anyone know if a dateless 16/16 DDO has ever been certified? I probably will get a PO1 rating, so it will be at the bottom. An article I read the other day said that fewer than 200 16/16 DDO exist. So I guess I got extremely lucky. |
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coopercoin, keep it up  We need people like you here in the forum. |
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