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Why Do People Dislike 40% And 35% Junk Silver So Much?

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 Posted 07/29/2022  7:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TakenByForce to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I have been looking around at junk silver prices and it seems from the numbers I am seeing that 90% holds premium more than rounds/ bars. However, 35% War Nickels and 40% halves I have seen as low as 0.99 - 2.99 over spot. Searching around the web shows a lot of people dislike 35%, 40% and do not want to purchase it even when its at spot. The craziest post I read was on reddit dated a some years back where people were arguing about whether buying 35% for UNDER spot was worth it.

I don't get the animosity. I understand its going to take up a lot more space compared to 90% or 99% but by the point one should be worrying about weight/ volume they would need $10K+ in War Nickels which obviously is absurd.The other thing is that fractional silver carries high premiums especially at the lower end, and 35% / 40% are both great fractional considering 35% nickel is worth around $1 in silver and 40% half dollar is around $2.75.

I have heard some people say its less wanted since its harder to melt down, (something about manganese content), which makes the most sense to me out of the arguments I have heard. However, that only applies to War Nickels and I have been seeing similar prices on halves which are 40% silver 60% copper. Am I missing something?
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 Posted 07/29/2022  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
35 40 and 50 per cent silver is difficult to refine .
Thus the discount .
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 Posted 07/30/2022  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Buy the coin...not the silver content!!!!

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@Pacificoin calls it.



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If nothing else, it takes up more space per ounce of precious metal.
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 Posted 08/09/2022  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeffbuckes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like you said, not all silver is created equal. Nothing beats the liquidity of .999 bullion. There's no refinery cost in buying/selling .999 silver. The work is already done! And a trusted brand - a national mint or major refinery like Engelhard - can even add premium over melt. Same is true with 90%. The price you pay should be related to why you're buying. It takes a LOT of War Nickels or Kennedy half dollars to retire.

Here's my example, a few years ago I bought a small hoard of Mexico 1 peso "silver coins" for my personal collection.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3550.html

The coins - minted from 1957 to 1967 - are .100 fine and some collectors debate whether we should even call them silver at all.

Anyway, I kept all the BU examples for my date set and tried to sell the rest for bullion. That was about 75 pieces. No luck! Took it to a trusted dealer and he just pushed the bag across the counter. Wouldn't even look at them. And I knew they guy from previous sales! No market, he said, refiners won't take them and they're only desired by collectors in high grade. And that's generaly true. These coins go dark fast. No lustre, no eye appeal because the silver content is so low. You see the same thing in War Nickels.

Eventually I sold them to a collector on Numista for $1 each (aound melt). A few weeks later that collector wrote to me, said he kept all the ones he wanted, now he wanted to know what to do with the rest?! (Why ask me? You bought them!) I suggested he list them on Numista for trade. Not sure whether he did.

Moral of the story: collect what you like, but if you're looking for profit stick with .999 or 90%!

PS: I like all silver but know I'm not getting rich on most of it...!
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 Posted 10/22/2022  01:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JadeDragon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
War Nickels are ugly. Not the pride of ownership you can have in shiny silver. 40% halves take a lot of space for little value. I own both because silver is silver but I would not build my whole stack out of them. That 10% silver Mexican stuff, I've gotten a few in mixed international lots of silver coins but I can see why most people don't want a ton of them in their silver stack. Lots of space for little value. You could make up grab bags and include a Mexican coin to satisfy the promise of silver in the lot. It's cheap but nice for a beginning collector to own a big coin like that.
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 Posted 11/17/2022  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeffbuckes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@JadeDragon -

I don't think War Nickels are ugly at all, I think they discolor very easily (because of the relatively low silver content), but even then I like the design.

I especially like the HUGE mint marks placed over the Monticello. It's very striking and the older I get the more I appeciate the design modification (to indicate their metal composition).

If someone is looking for silver content, maybe avoid these coins, but as a collector of US coins, I love War Nickels!

I won't get rich from owning them but I'll take War Nickels any day of the week.
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 Posted 11/17/2022  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thomaskl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This post makes me wonder, because I just purchased 30 silver Kennedy half dollars for $106, including tax, on ebay.

Is this something I need to avoid if trying to purchase silver close to melt price? I doubt I'd have trouble reselling them (except for high ebay seller fees) because they were on auction and from the look of things I won the auction by the skin of my teeth.

I like the silver Franklin proofs, as well, but the markup on those and Washington silver proofs is astronomical. I don't buy specifically for just silver melt; I have quite a few PCGS and NGC graded Morgans and Silver Eagles.
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 Posted 11/18/2022  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeffbuckes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Thomaski

Pro tip #1: with few exceptions, any silver you buy around melt will always be worth around melt... The market is established and the line between supply and demand is generally steady.

Pro tip #2: 90% silver is better than 40% and US is generally easier to sell than world silver...

Pro tip #3: don't get sucked in by "cheap" world silver. It's cheap for a reason. I love world silver, but there's not much room for profit on the flip side.

You bought a decent lot of 40% silver at a decent price (about 13% over melt). That's more than I would pay, but my goals might be different from yours! Luckily, Kennedy half dollars (40% and 90% silver) are very popular so you'll never have trouble selling them, but you won't get rich along the way. Same thing with War Nickels. They're popular, but never carry much of a premium in average circulated condition.

So what are you trying to do with your silver? Collect? Stack? Get rich? Tell us your story. We're here to discuss coins, don't be shy!
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I received a War Nickel in change back in the very early '70s when I was about ten. The history of it fascinated me, and contributed to my lifelong obsession with bits of metal with various markings on them.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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When I got back into roll hunting after after almost a 30-year break, I decided to hit the half dollars. This was around 2007. I was finding hundreds of 40% Kennedys, boxes were loaded. At $20 spot silver, my local guy was paying 75 cents each. He really didn't want them tbh. Other hunters such as a couple bank managers that I knew were also roll hunting and they were tossing the 40% and keeping 90%. I ended up finding a couple thousand over the next 7 years, and just sat on them. I tried selling rolls on Craigslist and finally moved a few at 70% of spot, not too shabby for coins found at face value. Today, I'm still slightly fond of 40% but I don't keep more than a couple rolls worth, same with War Nickels.
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 Posted 11/23/2022  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thomaskl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When you guys say don't buy world silver, are you referring to Silver Maple Leaf coins or Austrian Philharmonics? Or something else?
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@thomaski -

No, no, no - bullion coins like those are great. They hold their value very well. All the major mints have decent bullion coins with varying premiums.

What I meant was: watch out for common date, average circulated, low face-value world silver coins. You'll see them on ebay etc and they often sell at or below melt because they're not very desirable. I absolutely LOVE these coins, but I'm a COLLECTOR, not a stacker. So think twice before buying things like UK 3-pence or 6-pence or even shillings, or Norway 10 ore, or Japan 100 yen etc etc. They are very common in average cirulated consition and take a while to sell.
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Thank you for clarifying that, Jeff!
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Pro tip #1: with few exceptions, any silver you buy around melt will always be worth around melt... The market is established and the line between supply and demand is generally steady.


Tip #4: Silver you buy for well over melt value might not be worth over melt value in the future.

An example is from 2011 when silver hit $50, many pieces that were selling at double melt when silver was $20 had virtually no premium at $50.
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