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Just Machine Doubling. Note the date and mintmark are showing the same thing. The dies and mintmarks are two different processes. So if you see MD on the date and mintmark, it is Machine Doubling not a DDO or a RPM. Just a normal die coin with the devices altered after the strike. The 1968-1972 cents had a lot of this. Even the big DDO for this year is showing the same event on the doubled dies.  Note the date is showing hub doubling? But the mintmarks are normal, but both are showing Machine Doubling. (note the yellow arrows. They are pointing to the Machine Doubling on these coins) So a doubled die can have Machine Doubling, but Machine Doubling doesn't make a doubled die. On these 4 examples I posted, it is Machine Doubling on a doubled die. But on your coin, you are seeing Machine Doubling on a normal die for that year. Edited by coop
08/03/2022 8:05 pm
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Congrats on the find. I agree it is DDO-002. Here's the link to VV.- http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20...9SDDO002.htmThe MD on the MM is pretty common as most of us are aware but the separation on the 9 and 6 matches nicely as well as the markers you provided. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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Going to have to disagree with you on this one Coop. OP says it's DDO-002 and it has all the PUP's plus all the die markers from both VV and Wexler. I do see the Machine Doubling on the first 9 and the MM, but interestingly enough VV lists this as a diagnostic for EDS: Quote:
Stage A: Machine Damage Doubling shows on date and Mintmark - EDS Nice find! |
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Very nice find. great images of it too.
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A true 1969-S Doubled Die Obverse cent will not have doubling on the mintmark as the mintmark was punched into the die separately. On a machine-doubled coin, the mintmark will be doubled along with most or all of the legends and devices.
A true 1969-S Doubled Die Obverse cent will have strong and prominent doubling on the date. The doubling appears on a south-east direction and is more prominent on the date, the word LIBERTY, and the words IN GOD WE TRUST. I think those who jump fast will learn more from the really facts. |
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08/04/2022 03:11 am
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Yes I know very well. Your first 9 has like a DDO-002 but much more big. The 6 I do not discern very well from photo (is a little bit flue) but I see is far from number. In the both DDO if the MM is double is MD. The both DDO of 69-S has same orientation. Hope help you better. If you think and fill it is, send to ANACS for certification. Like this we will learn also and you will have peace in your self. |
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Very nice find! Definitely DDO-002 and not one you see often.
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Very nice find! Definitely DDO-002 and not one you see often. Thanks CH27! "Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978 |
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These are really quite hard to find, so a great snag. I have one slabbed by ANACS that I bought but after getting it I honestly think the doubling is so minor that it is either a different die or a late die state that doesn't show much and the coin probably shouldn't have been attributed as no way to verify it as -002.
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These are really quite hard to find, so a great snag. Thanks TB, I crossed referenced your post about finding one of these a few years back. We have the same die gouge above "N". This coin has a hint of a die clash on reverse under the memorial W which I don't see listed as a marker anywhere though. Good luck on the final push through work! See you back here soon. "Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978 |
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