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Kennedy, Oswald, Jack Ruby Day Of Shooting Very Large/Heavy Token - Data Request

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The purpose that this token symbolizes is self-evident but I have performed several searches without any comparative information. One guy wants to give me five bucks for it and I told him that his generous offer might be too much!

I don't wanna rip him off. So how can I get out of this horrible predicament without anything to compare it to?

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This token weighs 69.6 g, has a diameter of 60 mm and the thickness of 3.4 mm.

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I don't know what the crescent-shaped symbol and numbers mean on the side of the rim either.
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That reverse S-like cartwheel spoke disappears when you hold the coin at a certain angle which makes the distinct brick-layered building very apparent.

Also, the rectangular shape behind Oswald's head is a very shiny and smooth mirrored proof-like surface which makes it difficult to photograph head-on because of its reflectivity.
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Here's another medal that appears to be in the same series.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthope...ld-525914970
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Here's a sales record for the two coins.

https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/co...Default.aspx
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I would say worth a lot more than $5.
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I have a silver version of the first item-maybe yours is silver too?
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.Hallmarked fine silver


What prompted you to state this and what exactly does it mean?

This brings me to another related question that I have. The coin here lacks any descriptive information around 6 o'clock regarding the silver content. It does, however, have something on the rim previously alluded to and shown with an attachment above in this thread.

I want to know if the coin in this thread is the original coin from probably a US mint or if the coin in the following URL is the original one coming from a German mint per its description? This URL should take you to the fourth picture out of 4 to view a close-up showing an alpha numeric designation at 6 o'clock:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthope...l-1887281202

One coin could possibly be a fake or it could be that two different varieties exist. Or, was one coin minted in Germany with the longer alpha numeric designation and another issued in the United States with only the crescent shaped symbol and numbers on the rim? Any opinions?

It all boils down to my first premise: $150 of proof silver or five bucks of proof pewter?
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It is worth more than $5 USD regardless of composition.


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This token weighs 69.6 g, has a diameter of 60 mm and the thickness of 3.4 mm.


If these measurements are close to accurate then the density is low for silver or an alloy of high silver content.

The volume generated by 60 mm diameter and 3.4 mm thickness is nearly 10 cubic centimeters and some relief incuse to the rim would still put it around 9 cubic centimeters. Silver is 10.5 grams per cc so it should weigh close to 100 grams if solid silver.
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Your calculations are noteworthy for 100% solid silver but I highly doubt that a token would be composed of such a percentage of silver.

I wonder where we could find out the correct composition of this token which would allow us to better determine what we have or not.
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You can also eliminate sterling silver (0.925 fineness) which is a commonly used alloy for tokens, medals and medallions. Eliminate 90% silver as well.

To use pewter for example, at 7.3 grams per cc, you'd be right around your actual weight.
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@ori


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I have a silver version of the first item


What type of markings at 6 o'clock and/or on the rim does your sample have? Also, what are the dimensions and weight so we can compare figures etc.? I'm assuming that your coin's devices on both sides are identical to mine unless you tell us otherwise. A photo shouldn't be all that necessary unless you feel the color is significantly distinct from the one in this thread.
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