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I hope I post this in the correct forum.
I want blemish free MS 70 2021 CC & O Morgans, and a 2021 Peace MS 70.
Is it possible?
I've been searching and communicating with sellers of these for quite a while now in search of same. Most responses come back saying "If it's a MS 70, it's perfect".
I think we all know that's not necessarily the case. And, I don't buy the slab, I buy the coin. Just my personal preference and desire.
Any thoughts or kind opinions welcome. Thanks in advance folks!
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If you are near the Mint facilities, you go to theirs boutique and can find some. You to choice. The already certify first day 70 I am not sure. Mint site do not has.
PS: Try to has special guest set.
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08/29/2022 7:40 pm
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If I'm reading correctly, PCGS' MS-70 population for the 2021 Peace is 2,805. They're out there.
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08/29/2022 7:48 pm
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I hope I post this in the correct forum. Nope, but that is ok. I can move it over to commemoratives/NCLT no prob. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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I have what I feel are perfect examples of the 2021 a
Morgan and Peace, but I'm not grading them or selling them.
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I think I recently seen some on the TV show The Coin Vault that were slabbed and looked nice.You may want to check out their web site. John1  |
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I've seen quite a bit of these for sale. Of course they exist, check out ebay. You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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08/29/2022 8:46 pm
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Thanks all, I know the MS70's exist, but these also had some quality issues. I've seen ASE's graded MS 70 and had spots. Should I reassure myself a MS70 will be blemish/ spot free? |
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It's a theoretical perfect coin at the time of encapsulation.
After time has elapsed, they can develop milk spots/blemishes etc.
There's no guarantee this cannot happen to any and all of them.
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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08/29/2022 10:13 pm
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The PCGS web site says MS70 grade can have minor blemishes that occurred at the Mint and still get a MS70.
There were production problems with the 2021 Morgan, Peace, scratches, struck through, dents. It seems the Denver mint had the worst issues. Some pics of these damaged coins have been posted on CCF. Three of the ones I bought from the Mint had minor damage but still visible with just the eye.
I suppose those who want a perfect coin could get one at a coin shop, coin show, so they can inspect it or buy online from dealers who accept returns.
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08/29/2022 10:48 pm
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Should I reassure myself a MS70 will be blemish/ spot free? No. You will need to hold the slab in your hand and eyeball it your self,first hand like at a coin show or LCS.The ones they showed on the TV looked real nice,but they need to have an easy return policy and you will need to be ok with sending them back if not up to your standards. John1 |
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John, Always the Level-Headed Collector.  ... No One should be happy with a coin, that has problems. I'm willing to wager , people have Perfect coins, they just want to see the grader's " ,MS-70 " Buy the coin, NOT the slab, !!!!!!!!!!! I see some say their coins are Not perfect..... The Original MORGAN and Peace dollars were Sweetly Far from Perfect !!!!!!!!!! VAMS will cause blindness...... :)  Just My Opinion.............. |
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When initially grading modern silver issues, PCGS will deduct for spots that are already evident but some things like off center or certain minor mint issues do not always seem to affect the grading. If coins spot after they are graded by PCGS, they are also not covered by the terms of the PCGS grading guarantee. The problem is not limited to Silver Eagles or coins from the U.S. Mint as the same spotting problem happens on modern U.S. silver commemoratives and modern coins from other Mints such as Canada, China, and Australia.The feeling is that it has something to do with the .999 silver composition, as the earlier pre-1965 90% silver coins seldom spot. However, it could also have something to do with the way the planchets are prepared or washed. They are not sure of the cause of the spotting, and apparently neither are the Mints of the world. Some like Canada have apparently 'fixed' the issue recently but theres no guarantee so after all that I say just check the actual coin after its graded as you suggested yourself prior to purchase, or find coins you feel are ms70 candidates which are spot free and send them in yourself for grading since these types of coins can "change" over time. These types of coins you should ask for photos of the coin when looking for a perfect coin and not go by stock photos that say they are graded 70.
Silver Eagles in sealed Mint boxes (the 500 ounce green "monster boxes") have been opened to find coins that have already spotted. They have also graded spot-free coins, sent them to customers, and then had them returned months later after they had developed spots. There seems to be no rhyme or reason as to why some coins spot and some don't yet. But it is clearly something that is happening at the U.S. Mint at times.
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08/30/2022 12:03 pm
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Thanks, great remarks and agree with all,
Buy the coin not the slab..
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I just re-Read this topic, Let's be frank, Everyone believes they have MS-70 or PR-70 coins, . I believe I have a Flawless Set, Morgan's and Peace dollars from 2021 Too, Known " 70's " are NOT ALL perfect, meaning, I believe the grading standards were/are " passing " MS-70'S, for perfect, Some, Clearly are NOT !!!! Look at a graded 70 coin, Imperfections abound, minuscule, but they are There .... Not all coins graded 70 are th9is way, Just One tooooooo many, IMO... while I see some wondering about the topic here, They clearly are available, OR WERE.... Best wishes to All... |
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That was the exact point of my question Morgan. Thanks for your input.
I've asked many sellers who had/have MS70's listed for sale, and their response, if they give one, is along the lines of, "It's a MS70, the highest possible for a perfect coin", or "NGC graded it the highest, MS70".
Real ignorant to my buyer concerns.
Thanks again
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