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Do You See What I See? Lincoln 2017 P Small Cent.

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 Posted 08/31/2022  07:46 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bill Kerr to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Guys rolling through one of my rolls on this morning, I came across a penny that I thought was odd, it showed a "P" mint on a 2017. Investigating online I found that that was normal. I turned it over to see what it could be grade for and notice that the roll on the right side looked strange. Can you see what I see?
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 Posted 08/31/2022  07:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are referring to the thick line, It doesn't appear to be raised or incuse so
it is probably a stain of some sort. Certainly not anything of significance.
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 Posted 08/31/2022  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oddguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please tell us what you see, I find it hard to read your mind. Since I have no other inf. I will have to agree with stains. No disrespect and thank you for sharing.
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Looking forward to hearing more.
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 Posted 08/31/2022  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please just say what you see instead of making a guessing game of it. I also just see a stain with no evidence of a variety or error.
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 Posted 08/31/2022  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The initials looks a little bit larger, but that maybe what these coins looked like that year. A side by side of another coin from that year the same side, might answer you own question? But Variety Vista notes no DDR's for that year on all three mints.
Same for coppercoins.
Wexler lists one DDR
http://doubleddie.com/2318537.html
(Last listing on the page all the way to the bottom)
You might check that one out?
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 Posted 08/31/2022  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add I6609 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought there was a DDO on working hub for that year on the Y in liberty
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Bill, it does look very similar to WDDR-001, that coop mentioned. There are no markers but you may be able to find some die gouges or dots to compare, I can't tell for sure with your pics though.
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I thought there was a DDO on working hub for that year on the Y in liberty
I6609, there are two known doubled working hubs for this year/mm. Many of the original DDO's went away when they discovered this. I think the OP is referring to the possible DDR though.
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I would say this one isn't a match for WDDR-001.
The B is what shows the most "thickness" on the variety, especially the "notching"/angle (as Wexler puts it) on the top left of the B. The insides of the B are more of an elongated oval instead of circular like this coin.

This one might show the "notching"/angle on the top left of the L. One still image of the LB makes it too difficult to tell for sure.

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And Petespockets55 would know about this particular DDR.

Thanks for the input, man!
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 Posted 09/01/2022  05:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bill Kerr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guys my apology here, it was never my intent to cause confusion or to create a seek and find conquest. I just thought that you might see what I saw on the reverse side on the ribbon. The line does not appear to be raised or incused, if it is a stain how could it be so perfectly placed as is? I am not questioning your expertise, just curious.

I did find per Coop's suggestions that the "Y" and the signature is as according to John Wexler's DDR's.

Once again sorry for the confusion and thanks for your expertise as always.
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Bill Kerr, Don't take it too personally. Sometimes the replies come off stronger than intended because of the magic of the internet LOL. But there could be many things in a general area and it's difficult to know what is being referred to.

Not being raised or incuse makes it most likely a stain. There's no way to know how a stain might happen but a car cup holder is usually a prime suspect.

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.... the "Y" and the signature is as according to John Wexler's DDR's


I believe what you were looking at there was a reference to the Master Die Doubling Wexler mentions. That doubling on the Mater Dies shows up on many dies for the year and isn't desirable since the coin becomes one of billions instead of one of maybe 100,000.
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 Posted 11/23/2022  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bill Kerr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guys, I ended up sending this coin to John Wexler and he classified it as a 2017-P 1¢ WDDO-011. Therefore I also sent it to ANACS for grading it came back as a AU 58. Just thought you might want to know about the update, thanks for your input.
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