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Duchy Of Brunswick 2 Pfennig 1852 - Odd Colour And Weight/Diam Slightly Off

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Hi all,

A while back I acquired some older german coins, one of which is a Duchy of Brunswick 2 Pfennig 1852. What struck me was the colour, which is more brass like than copper. Also, the weight is slightly higher (4.7g as opposed to 4.6g) and diameter a touch low (22.8mm as opposed to 23mm) according to Numista
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18322.html

Could this be a contemporary counterfeit or was there a degree of variation with these coins?

Thanks for your expertise!


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There is certainly a degree of variation in the weight of 19th century coppers. I have no tolerance figures for the Brunswick coinage, but for contemporary French small coppers the allowed tolerance was reduced to 1 % in the mid 19th century, after having been 4 % previously. So the around 2 % deviation from the nominal 4.6 g here is, I would think, within limits.

The colour can vary quite a lot for coppers this old, depending on what they have gone through (this one may have been cleaned at some point). I think the colour of this coin is a normal variation.

I am no expert on contemporary counterfeits, but I think they were more of a problem in the 18th century than in the 19th. My vote is on your coin being genuine.
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I like that the die crack turns your horse into a unicorn
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Could this be a contemporary counterfeit or was there a degree of variation with these coins?

I have contemporary counterfeits from German States including some with Brunswick in the name.
19th century counterfeits looked better than those from the 18th & 17th centuries. Those centuries were more crude, but especially crude in the letters and numerals. To my eye, just looking at the picture, your coin looks more like a legitimate coin instead of a counterfeit. For what it's worth, I don't recall ever coming across an old German State coin that is the size and weight shown in Numista. As far as color, there is a great variation in what a brass / bronze / copper / billon coin will look like after many years with or without preservation.
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Thanks for all the information. Most of my collection is more modern where weight and size tolerance is quite specific so it's a bit of a learning curve for older coinage. I expect differences ancient coins but the 18th and 19th century is a bit grey for me. I may have a few more questions on some more coins later on as I'll be photographing and cataloguing the remainder coins today.

And yes, the die crack does give a unicorn appearance.
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Looking at your pictures, I don't see anything out of ordinary with color.
You could check specific gravity to see how close to 8.96 it is.
I don't see any need to do that.
Nothing alarming to me concerning measures.
You could place a certified calibration weight of 4 or 5 grams on your scale to check accuracy.
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