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1989 Lincoln Cent With Falling Memorial

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Please help! Something is going on with the reverse of this 1989 LMC and I cannot figure it out. If anybody would like to help me investigate, I would appreciate it. It is from 40 years of collected pocket change.

1. It looks like the memorial is falling down as can be seen by the top corners.

2. I think I see doubled columns but not sure if they are die scratches.

3. There is something that looks like part of a letter under the D in UNITED.

4. There may be a die chip towards bottom of 4th column?

5. Are there other things going on I have not noticed?

6. Edit: Do the steps look normal to you?

PS: I had a hard time taking pics because the cent is so shiny so there are different angles I included. Had to add a 2nd pc of paper on the lamp along w/ the paper towel! I will put it under the scope to get a better look, but wanted to see if I could get some help with what I have so far.

Thanks for your help!

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I think the steps look "wavy" but I might have been looking at these cents for too long.

Edit: Pareidolia maybe...
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Well the microscope adventure did not go well. The pics all look like a cartoon.

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All I got out of it was I think I see doubling on the rocks at the right bottom corner. I think the camera is 2mp.
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Research suggests the answer is Split Plating. It can indeed happen on the Memorial too. I did not know that. I always thought it only showed at tops of devices by the rim.
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All I say for sure is it isn't a wavy step variety.I am not really understanding your questions,sorry.
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The rock are showing Machine Doubling. Note how the affected areas you are looking at are on the edges of the design, also the metal is pushed a side, not raised higher then the devices.
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Note how the devices are altered on the DDR on the building and the initials. They are enlarged, not reduced by flattening those areas.
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One of the best places to start with the 89 DDR's is the FG and I like yours for extra thickness. There are a few out there and you have to look for the other doubling, if any and markers. Depending on the quality of the coin, I'll either toss these in a can to search later or put them in my out going coins, I've seen a lot of them.
I like the look of the FG on yours though, your pic enlarged below. Here are the links to check the listings.

VV http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...R%201989.htm

cc http://www.coppercoins.com/advsearch.php

Wexler https://doubleddie.com/432422.html


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Hey thanks for helping everybody. The 1988-1989 varieties listings sure are plentiful.what a nightmare! I have to take better regular pics of the Obverse cuz there is a die chip at the bottom of the 4th column and I think that is a marker for one of the DDOs which I was not even looking at, ha ha. It does not look like a DDO from the pics I took already tho. Anyway, I had to put it all away for awhile.

Now I'm trying to learn what the Memorial is supposed to look like normally by running a bunch under the cheap microscope. (I don't know what abnormal is unless I know what normal is ha ha).

I ran across this 1988 D LMC and under the microscope it looks like a double decorative ridge on the 1st roof? It is only 2mp cuz it is from the USB camera so.

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Is that normal tho? Do you see what I am describing? The curvy decorative molding looks doubled? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks.

PS: In the process, I ran across a 1996 P 1993-D under the microscope too that had what appeared to be doubled columns everywhere, but when I looked up the varieties, I could not narrow down which variety cuz there are so many. I also was not sure if my eyes were playing tricks on me again cuz it looked so "cartoony". But before I can share pics to get help, I need to figure out how to take better regular HD pics cuz my current set up is not working well enough to find these kinds of details.


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Always start a new thread for new coins. With the limited pics of the coin, I'm not sure but it may be a light "trail die". See if you can see any of what is going on with your coin in these listings.

LINK http://www.traildies.com/1988d-1der/
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Makecents, thank you so much for taking the time to help me. Ever since you showed me how to look at the FG more closely, now I am obsessed with it. And thanks for the links to check the varieties too. I am flabbergasted at how many there are for 1988.

The Trail Die is something new for me to learn about too, so thank you so much!

Thanks coop for the graphic of the Memorial, it is so helpful! Now I am obsessed with finding a doubled Memorial.

I think I found a better way to take the HD pics so I will start a new thread as advised on the 1988 D possible DDR so I can find out what people know about that ridge. Then I have to find the 1993 D because I put it somewhere so as not to lose it. I suspect I will not find it for a while.
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