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1867 Shield Nickel (No Rays) - Is This A Counterfeit?

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This coin is part of an inheritance. I do not know much about the Shield nickels and am fairly new to coin collecting in general. I have learned a bit since I began a year ago though. And after revisiting the nickel collection this one stood out as being suspicious. The rim (especially the reverse) looks odd. The denticles look weak in areas (see about STATES) and the letters have gaps in them like stencils (see the T's in STATES) the reverse also looks like it has bits of rust?

Would someone with more knowledge take a look and help me out?

I would greatly appreciate it!

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 Posted 09/17/2022  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you give us the weight?



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Yea it weights 5 grams exact.
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Here is a closer pic of the suspicious area.

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On the reverse rims looks like rim Cuds.
The weakness might be Struck Through Grease or over polished dies.
Not seeing rust.
This is not my area,so let's wait for a pro or two.Very nice photos by the way.
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Weight is correct. Some sort of Rim Fin issue? I'm no expert, but surely this is genuine.
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I agree with genuine, I think the rim Cuds could be causing the weakness in the denticles as the metal left in the die voids are not being forced into better formed denticles in that region. Given the Cuds and die cracks it is definitely a later die state so the gaps in the thin connecting parts of letters like T you note in STATES could be from either some die polishing or Die Deterioration. I think it looks like a really nice high grade example, thanks for sharing it.
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Appears genuine to me as well
I've been collecting for a couple years... Favorite Coin's are Standing Liberty quarters, Working on my type set | Coffee, Corvettes, Coins & the CCF what could be better?
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Awesome! Good to know. It's one of the few Shield nickels that wasn't polished or cleaned to heck. It also seems to be a DDO. I think it's the 001.8 DDO. Very apparent doubling under the microscope. I'll see if I can figure out how to take microscope pics and get the files on my phone.

If I figure that out I'll post a scope pic of my whizzed/cleaned to heck 1873 open 3. I swear I see a large 3 over a sm 3. But I may just be seeing what I want to see.
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I figured out the sd card. Yay!

Here are two pics of the doubling.

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Wow that's a gorgeous piece, I'm 99.9% sure genuine. Congratulations on finding that one. It has great eye appeal. At this time the US Mint had only been striking 75/25 Cupro-Nickel alloy for 2 years and this was far harder than anything the Mint was used to striking. The flat fields and hardness of the metal was brutal on the dies which wore out fast. So these coins often have die cracks and poor strike. The stripes in the shield are somewhat poorly rendered even though the the coin looks like a crisp uncirculated. The oxide on the reverse looks normal for an old cupronickel coin.
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