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Cherrypicked 1823 Double Struck Capped Bust Half Dollar

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Paid a whopping $34.99 for what I am certain is a double struck bust half with the first strike 15% off center. The segments are visible in the left obverse field, and indents of Miss Liberty's forehead and neck are visible in the center of the portrait.

Too bad it isn't in better shape, still a nice cherrypick otherwise. Will post better pics when I get it in-hand.

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 Posted 10/08/2022  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dunno.
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I see what you're saying, and it does seem to match the design, but I don't believe a coin can be struck that far off center and still be perfectly round. I'm not sure what this is.
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I think those indents are spaced too far apart to match the rim segments of a bust half. I'm leaning towards damage.
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The key feature to many off center double strikes is the line of segments/dentils across the coin. Edgar Souders, author of Bust Half Fever, did an in-depth study on these "dentil tracks." After observing 11 examples that display this feature, he came to the conclusion, "I will state that I believe every Capped Bust half dollar, with dentil tracks, and a 'funky' edge somewhere along the dentilation is a no question double struck coin." He was referring the "funky" edge as a visible device of the first strike located along the rim of the coin. My example is too worn to see any rim defects, but the dentil tracks are very clear.

Check out this 1824 bust half graded by NGC: https://www.sullivannumismatics.com...-center-xf40
Also visible on this 1814: https://coins.ha.com/itm/bust-half-...ption-071515
Here is an 1809: https://coins.ha.com/itm/bust-half-...ption-071515

It is interesting how the obverse has the dentil tracks while the reverse is normal. I believe his happens when the two dies are misaligned to a great extent, they strike a coin, then when noticed by a mint employee, is restruck again. I am not sure the effects of the roundness of the coin when it is struck twice. Measuring the coin on my screen, the dentil tracks and the central indents are off center the exact same amount.
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Seeing those examples, I think I'm convinced. Very cool find!
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Using the loop as a reference, appears to have a slightly rotated reverse.
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Interesting...I never knew?
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I stand corrected. I created an overlay with another 1823 bust half, and the rim segments, forehead, and neck lines match up exactly. Nice example! I've never seen this before--I wonder how many are out there unattributed?

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I yield to your expertise as well - congrats!
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Wow I really appreciate the overlap! I am not tech savy so it would've taken a long time figure out
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That is a truly awesome cherry-pick! Congrats! Are you going to try and remove that ring? This would be a cool piece to have properly holdered, even if it detailed for any remaining hole/evidence of removing that ring.

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Are you going to try and remove that ring? This would be a cool piece to have properly holdered, even if it detailed for any remaining hole/evidence of removing that ring.

I think I will try to remove the ring, get it in an attributed holder, and sell it. PCGS may not label my coin as a legitimate error, but I believe there is enough evidence to say that it was double struck.

This half dollar has the dentil tracks but was not labeled as double struck:https://www.PCGS.com/cert/36263534
I think that is because the arc of the rim and the arc of the dentil tracks are not the same. There is also no more evidence of a double strike on this particular coin.

My coin has the same arc angle with the two central indents that are also indicating factors. The removal of the loop may detail this coin, and it will get a low grade anyway. May not be worth my time to get it graded.


Side note: O-105 R-1
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Had this in my watch list because I saw it whilst scrolling, something looked off to me too, but I didn't have time to take a second look at it before you snapped it up. Great pickup, and really awesome example!
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I'm having trouble trying to visualize how the denticles seem to be reversed, particularly the PCGS example. If it was struck twice, shouldn't they be pointing the other way? Yet if it was struck by another coin (aka garage job) the denticles would be incuse and the gaps raised, and they'd still also be pointing opposite. My brain doesn't get this.
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Coin came in as expected. No other evidence of double striking besides the obverse markers. I am in no rush to sell so it may stay as-is for a while. It is also a fantastic conversation piece!
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The soldered loop is going to be difficult to remove. I tried to remove it, being very careful not to overheat the coin. It will probably need a precision torch at the very least. Worst case the silver solder and the coin's surface are fused together and will need cutting to remove. Any opinions are appreciated!
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This coin may have been gold plated, but since rubbed off almost completely with little remaining around the devices. I wonder if the double strike was noticed before this coin was soldered, similar idea how off-center strikes were pocket pieces.
Suffering from bust half fever.
Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955
Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves.
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