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1922-D Lincoln Cent Error

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 Posted 10/17/2022  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfamind to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most folks on here are cynical and rightly so, given that there are few true gems and many pieces that are damaged, defaced, or faked. Given your level of experience and expertise, this 1922-D is worth consideration. Try again to post the parallel thread for the similar Lincoln Cent of a different date. Doubt you will get an acceptable answer here, but it's worth a shot.
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 Posted 10/17/2022  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've not seen enough high grade of this date to say for sure, it just looks off

OTOH something that argues for it being real is the question of why somone would fake a 22-D when they could just as easily fake the more valuable 22-plain.
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 Posted 10/17/2022  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DmanofLV to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nothing is off with this coin except for some collectors making judgments for what they think or want to believe the coin has been altered. Guessing is not fact. The coin is genuine!!!!

The only thing that was altered with this coin was the die that produced this rarity. If you are not an expert on Lincoln rarities, it is a good idea for you to watch wait and do your research. I am only making an attemppt to find if any other variety of this coin exists for this 1922-D Lincoln. It it does not, it will become a new variety.
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 Posted 10/17/2022  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This it is not a rarity. the coin was alliterated after the Mint. I saw a few like this. To do this effect on a coins it is relative easy with proper tools. I have no idea from which part of the country come this coin, but what I have it is an west coast fake error coin group who market those. .
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 Posted 10/17/2022  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DmanofLV to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin is not off except that it is a very extreme error which undoubtedly 99.9 % of collectors have never seen in their lifetime.

If you search for it, You can find a 1942 Lincoln Cent minted from tin with a large Rim but without the rim intrusion into the motto as this one is. Nobody on the planet is going to take the time to reproduce a 1922-D Lincoln Cent when there are plenty of other Lincoln rarities some slick people will try to fake. Fakes are easily detectable unless the person is an amateur. There is nothing fake about this coin and it is advisable not to even insinuate it. If you have any doubts, then it is better to open up the mind and understand that most collectors learn from their ignorance or mistakes. Sometimes a collector's luck exceeds his knowledge. I just so happen to be one of the lucky ones. That does not happen very often in the coin collecting commmunity.

Regarding This coin, I am only attempting to find a variety number if there is one, and if there is, then somebody beat me to the credit. If there is not, this will become one of the rarest Lincoln Cents to come up for public view in the collector community in many years and I take credit for finding it. Unless you are professional in rarities and errors, it is best you do your own research.
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 Posted 10/17/2022  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Unless you are professional in rarities and errors, it is best you do your own research.


Sorry I am not professional in rarities like "Coin Week" (a joke or what?). But for your knowledge 25 years pro in detecting reproductions, errors simulations and artificial deteriorations of the coins, banknotes and stamps. But you know this do not matter.

For you to see it is after mint error simulation: The rims of the coin are lower then the high design of the coin. This it is impossible to happened at the mint. From 1798 all the US coins has the rim higher then the design.

You believe been a rarity? OK for me, send to any TPG and you will have the answer and I hope will be what you want.

In any case no really collector will be interested in your rare coin.
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 Posted 10/17/2022  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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this will become one of the rarest Lincoln Cents to come up for public view in the collector community in many years and I take credit for finding it.


Based on your assertion of confidence, I presume you are sending it into a TPG. We can't really help you here, since collectively we probably only have a few thousands of years of experience, so what do we know? Your statements are a bit of bluster. I have no opinion on this, so look forward to finding the results from your TPG of choice.

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 Posted 10/17/2022  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This type of rim exists on what they call "Broadstruck" Draped Bust Half Cents; really they just never went through the upsetting mill. Like to see the edge... it also looks like it maaaaaaaay have been an Encased Cent at one time (flattened rims), very well done.
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 Posted 10/18/2022  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Send it to a TPG.

I too vote for PMD, it resembles an Encased Coin.

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 Posted 10/18/2022  02:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DmanofLV to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I checked out Encased Coins and this coin is far from being in that classification. Encased Coins are damaged when put inside a bezel to fit them.
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 Posted 10/18/2022  03:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DmanofLV,
I think it would be best for you to choose one of the top three grading services to send it to that you trust most:ANACS-PCGS-NGC.
If you do, please let us know the outcome by posting a full slab photo.
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 Posted 10/18/2022  05:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With acknowledging;edgement of the OP's strongly stated opinions on authenticity - I am in the damaged coin camp and do not see how this example could have left the mint with those features.

I look forward to learning what the TPG says.
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 Posted 10/18/2022  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't speak to the coins authenticity.
What I do notice is the movement of metal at the M of UNUM.
Coin metal should flow downward to fill the reverse die , upward to fill the obverse die and outward to fill the collar die. The inside of the top points of the M of UNUM show a inward movement of coin metal , movement that has expanded the metal past where even a aged die would have controlled it. The flattening of the M of UNUM would not have happened during the strike.
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 Posted 10/18/2022  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that maybe it is time we bring on a true expert into this conversation - I say we ask Mike Diamond to have a look at this one and hear what his opinion would be.
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 Posted 10/18/2022  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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... tin with a large Rim but without the rim intrusion into the motto as this one is.

We really do love seeing discovery coins or rare examples of varieties found. It makes our month when it happens.

You've been in the game a long time so probably are aware of getting an XRF analysis done of your 1922d to determine metal content (if that is part of the question). I had one done at a pawn shop. Jewelers might be another source for an XRF scan.

The rim intrusion you mention seems to be from a later die state coin.
I wonder if the reverse die that struck this one might have been left over from 1921? There is really nice detail to the devices on the obverse making me think the obverse is an Early Die State coin (very few obverse dies in 1922) but the reverse is showing some Die Deterioration, ie: weakness in the lines of both upper wheat ears and seeds, some strong die flow lines at the base, and the intrusion of the devices into the rim.

Encased Cents can give different looks to the rims depending on the era and manufacturer. The rims don't end up all looking the same. (I was fooled by one last week.) The tops of UNUM seem to be even with the rim which, to me, points to compression from the machinery that compresses the holder onto the coin. The metal that encases the coin is taller than the cent but when compressing it onto the cent the machinery can engage the rims of the coin and compress them. The machinery operators weren't really concerned about damage to the coin, only making sure their metal locked onto the coin being encased.

I believe that is what we are seeing.

Best of luck and whatever you decide to do with it we'd love to see the final outcome if you send it in. I really would love to be proven wrong on this one.


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