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Hammered Coin. ID Help Please.

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Hi all, picked a few hammered coins up today, fine with the id of most but stuck with this one. Any help would be gratefully appreciated!

Weight is 0.55 grams
measures approx. 13mm.


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@met, yikes this one has had the edges trimmed pretty extensively—only a couple scraps of letters are visible on the front and nothing on the reverse. The portrait on this medieval British silver Penny looks most like Henry V to me, but I'm a bit out of my swim lane on that. I'll move this thread over to the medieval and ancients subforum to get some good eyeballs on it.
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That type was used from Edward I through Henry VII. It's hard to nail down without legends or MMs.

It looks like a quatrefoil in the center of the reverse, which I think would mostly (completely?) eliminate the early Edwarian types and push it to Henry IV & later.

Someone who specializes in these might be able to identify it by the style of the crown. There's a series of small books by Chris Wren covering these issues in pretty good detail.
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Based of the design in the center of the Cross I would say Henry V, Spink 1791.
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I think this is an Edward IV penny from the York mint, under Archbishop Neville (S 2125). You can tell by the letter G to the left of the bust (and a key to the right). The crown is of that period and there is also a quatrefoil on the reverse https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces128365.html

Edward IV pennies often come with the legends missing https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces336785.html
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@john, do you know if these were struck on undersized flans or were the edges clipped to harvest a little silver? I'm thinking the latter, but would like to learn if that is true.
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Do you know if these were struck on undersized flans or were the edges clipped to harvest a little silver? I'm thinking the latter, but would like to learn if that is true.

I don't think the flans were particularly spacious but they were clipped.

This contemporary counterfeit of an Edward IV penny from York was probably made in Henry VII's time (5-10 years later). By then, any genuine Edward IV pennies would have had their legends clipped off, so the counterfeiters made them the size of the clipped coins to make sure they wouldn't stand out - this coin is more or less as struck. It would have helped that the genuine coins were worn and clipped, as it would've been hard to tell the difference.

Edward IV Contemporary Counterfeit, 1490-1500
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London, imitating York. Silver, 15mm, 0.42g. Facing bust; ECARCVS CEI (G)RA REX (instead of EDWARD DI GRA REX ANG). Long cross with quatrefoil; (CIVI TAS) EBOB ACI (instead of CIVITAS EBORACI); York reverse 3. Small letters; same broken B for B and R. From the Queenhythe Hoard.
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Ok thx for helping to solidify that in my mind!
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Thank you all for the help!
Very interesting info John.
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