Still Learning. Difference Between Damage And Error

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Jumarie New Member United States 10 Posts	Posted 11/13/2022 7:18 pm Hey guys. Still just learning here. Wanted to post this to get tips and pointers on what's an error, and what's damage after the fact. Thanks for any input! Report this Post to the Staff

coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 11/13/2022 7:19 pm Note the rim. When the rim is altered like that it is all damage. Not a premium for this coin, just a spender. Report this Post to the Staff
JimmyD Bedrock of the Community Canada 21589 Posts	Posted 11/13/2022 7:28 pm I don't see anything that is an error, it is all damage. An error can only occur during the striking of a coin in the striking chamber which limits the amount of things that can be called an error. Once it has been ejected, anything that happens to the coin after that is considered damage which can be any number of things so when looking at a coin, ask yourself is it possible for this to happen when the coin was struck? If not, then it is damage no matter how it occured. That is why it is best to learn the minting process to help you learn how a coin is minted then you will be able to tell the difference between damage and an error. Edited by JimmyD 11/13/2022 8:43 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95200 Posts	Posted 11/13/2022 8:21 pm That would be damage for this quarter. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
ijn1944 Bedrock of the Community United States 19129 Posts	Posted 11/13/2022 8:58 pm Agree. Post-strike damage. Coin didn't leave the striking chamber in that condition. Report this Post to the Staff
mrwhatisit Pillar of the Community United States 2953 Posts	Posted 11/13/2022 9:23 pm with the above, but can add this bit of info: Assume all oddities on coins are not errors of any sort but post mint damage until proven otherwise; that could help folk distinguish the real deal errors (which we see here at times) from the not-errors... Error-ref.com is a great site to visit Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 11/14/2022 04:25 am and http://www.error-ref.com/ John1 Report this Post to the Staff
Jumarie New Member United States 10 Posts	Posted 11/14/2022 10:16 pm Thanks john1 that was so helpful Report this Post to the Staff
merclover Bedrock of the Community United States 10635 Posts	Posted 11/14/2022 10:27 pm The best way to learn the difference between damage and an error would be to study a video or two on how coins are made. Afterwards, you should be able to spot abnormalities. One of the things you'll learn is how certain issues just simply cannot be done at the mint, while others could be. There is a learning curve to all this, and it will take some time and effort on your part. Be patient, ask questions and study various problems and you'll slowly get it. Bonne chance! Report this Post to the Staff
westcoin Pillar of the Community United States 9792 Posts	Posted 11/14/2022 10:58 pm Came to say just that, merclover has it right on. Best advice is to study coin manufacture procedures, but remember they change so be sure to compare the procedures in the same era, There are very big differences in how coins are made in the 1790's 1850's 1950's and 2000's. Lots of things helped from switching from hand presses to steam presses to electric/hydraulic mechanical presses, also ways dies are created from hand engraved hubs to CAD milling machines. So many things can factor in to errors in the design and striking phase as well. Some good books to look at are: Don Taxay (oldie but still relevant) - "Counterfeit, Mis-struck, And Unofficial U.S. Coins: A Guide For The Detection Of Cast and Struck Counterfeits, Electrotypes, and Altered Coins" Roger W. Burdette - "From Mine to Mint" Joesph P. Cronin - "Mint Errors to Die For" (great photography and a lot of information here). Walter Breen - "Dies and Coinage" (1962, A very informative book about Dies Planchets and Striking Coinage from the ancient times up to the 20th century) Some of these can be found used at a fairly reasonable cost. The Cronin Error book is the newest on the list and was around $80 when I got mine. Don't stop at just books there are some good videos out there on Minting production as well, check YouTube and the NNP "Newman Numismatic Portal" especially David Lisot media gallery (Over 2000 videos on numismatics now) all free... https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/multi...etail/522852 The NNP also has many book, journals and other information for free hosted at the Internet Archive all made possible through funding from Eric P. Newman's collection he sold for over $52 million through Heritage Auctions in 2013 to 2018. It would take years to go through everything they've put up so far, and more is coming daily. https://nnp.wustl.edu/ "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 Report this Post to the Staff
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