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Neither set of pics shows surface details clearly.
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 the second set of photos are worthless, the first set the color is odd and does not look natural however you might see this on a proof. the denticles, lettering and wreath are solidly struck like you would see on a proof but there is definite wear on the coin especially the eagle and hair. whats confusing is the super clean cheek...so confused. first thought is impaired proof. grade  55? but I reserve the right to change this if better photos are posted. |
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Beautiful coin, but definitely shows signs of wear and handling.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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virtually no contact marks & does appear to be a copper pattern as NS recommended. So I will say PF66
I've been collecting for a couple years... Favorite Coin's are Standing Liberty quarters, Working on my type set | Coffee, Corvettes, Coins & the CCF what could be better? |
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This is a Pattern coin Judd-1550B the reeds give the Proof away and the color can only be either a copper wash or a copper planchet. The Judd-1551 has the shorter leaf under the R and the Judd-1550A was only produced in normal silver.
I don't remember the grade but it's a proof, probably at least a PR67 A super nice copper example of a almost finalized transitional dollar. I don't think this was one of the Bob Simpson pattern coins, as his were all PCGS graded, so it's likely from the Lemus collection sold by Stack's over several years I'd check but that catalog is in storage. There were a couple of other large pattern collection/sales over the years that have happened, but I can't remember the names of them off hand.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
11/14/2022 3:59 pm
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Thanks Jerry, I was trying to find it in an old Stack's catalog, but there are so many to go through, they didn't sell the entire Lemus collection under the "Lemus Name" didn't know Heritage handled it as well - it's a super coin for a pattern. Actually just looked a bit closer at your link that is NOT the coin, it's the same pattern but not the same coin, the identifying marks are missing on the True View image and that is a PCGS slabbed coin. but Heritage did sell this exact coin from the Lemus/Queller collection as a NGC PR67RB. https://coins.ha.com/itm/patterns-a...bnail-071515Thanks for jogging my memory, the old Stack's catalogs don't always have images tied to the coin I'm looking for. For grins this very coin sold raw at the Stack's sale in December 1987 for $3,960.00 quite the bargain compared to the $23,000 Heritage got for it in January 2009 - almost a $1000 per year increase. Here is the old Stack's sale description and photo, not in color making it really hard to find it.  Don't have the Price Realized for the Elder sale in 1938 but around the estimate of $25.00 is a good guess, likely lower than that by a few dollars, here is his description from the catalog.  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
11/14/2022 4:28 pm
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Correct :) it is indeed the Heritage one linked.
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I'm not familiar with pattern coins but I do have a question on this one. if its a pattern coin why does it look like quite a bit of wear on both sides. how could a pattern coin not be struck properly or even circulated? was that common?
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@panzaldi Look at the slab images in the Heritage link. It doesn't look like wear in those.
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@panzaldi Look at the slab images in the Heritage link. It doesn't look like wear in those. the link that westcoin posted looks like the OP coin. the link that Jerry posted is a different coin. westcoin link show what appears to be wear and is a match for the OP coin. Am I missing something here? maybe there are more than one pattern coin that was minted. i would not think that a pattern coin would have such a weak strike and the reason for my question but I'm not familiar with them. |
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I'm confused too. The Heritage links that Jerry and westcoin posted are both the same coin. Look at the mark next to M, numerous dots, and the fingerprints, etc - all the same. In 2009 it was in an NGC holder and in 2022 a PCGS slab. The @TobyJ (OP) images are the same as the NGC auction ones, so also the same coin. The images from the NGC sale make it look worn, the PCGS TrueView less so, and the Heritage slab images in that auction doesn't look like any wear to me. Heritage images from 2009 and prior generally stink, IMO.
The Stack's link by numismatic student is a different coin. I'm guessing by "not the same coin", westcoin is talking about some other one he was thinking of?
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