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12/05/2022 6:55 pm
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There was a documented struck counterfeit for S-161; I have included the image and the atts I identified in my article on these. I post these here but admittedly need to spend a little more time reviewing yours with them. Any chance of getting an edge view of the one posted?   |
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Burfle23: I'm sure that this one wasn't struck; latex dies maybe? The coin pictured by you has a normal chin. It IS veryclose though... I thought the Heritage coin was treated with Hydrochloric Acid. Here's the auction link: https://coins.ha.com/itm/large-cent...ption-071515Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
12/05/2022 8:02 pm
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Edited by burfle23
12/05/2022 9:18 pm
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Same dies, maybe more tooling at the chin? Maybe the Heritage coin is a copy of your copy?
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The R in Liberty was recut on the Heritage example. Great, now we have die states of Counterfeit coins. The main reason that I don't think it was die struck is the crack in the field under the ribbon. It just doesn't happen like that.
Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
12/05/2022 8:15 pm
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now we have die states of Counterfeit coins. .  I'm otherwise just lurking on this thread to learn something. Sorry that I don't have any insight. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
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I have written articles on two deceptive counterfeits with 2 die states each...
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I posted that coin to a site where many EACers check in, some in the biz for decades. Where did you publish?
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12/05/2022 10:29 pm
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Seems like the chin was just polished off at the defect in the other example. I'll leave the rest to your capable hands.  |
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Leaf under T United had its tip repaired as well; the hairline above the forehead has been recut so now it looks like Liberty's wearing a wig, etc. My question is, I guess, how can this (these) fool people long invested in the biz, nevermind the grading company?
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12/06/2022 12:11 am
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
12/06/2022 12:51 am
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NumismaticStudent: wouldn't you know, my Colonial-collecting friend was asking if Jack Young had seen it; that he must know about it...
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He has now.  I deleted my post because I felt that I overstepped. That's something that he should have revealed although he is probably too humble to come out and say what I said. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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It was becoming apparent... there should be a section for "What's My Line?" type of posts
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While there are some striking similarities between the OP posted example and the documented counterfeit there are some major differences including the major counterfeit attribution points. The documented fake was struck from dies made from a known genuine example and the edge helps confirm it struck:  As far as my articles, the majority are published on Coin Week with several also in EAC's Penny-Wise. I posted my summary on the S-161 on the EAC website. The op example has some areas that look "casty"- would love to see the edge and weigh it, etc. I need to make more time studying this one; thanks for posting and the HA link! |
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