My First Foray Into Palembang Pitis.

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ttkoo Pillar of the Community Australia 2533 Posts	Posted 01/05/2023 12:09 am I purchased a 6 pack of Palembang pitis, tin alloy coins from the Sultanate of Palembang, Sumatra Indonesia. This is the first one that I could attribute. pitis bountou AH 1193 (1779) Sultan Muhammad Bahudin (reign 1776 - 1804) "Al-Sultan fi beled Palembang sanat 1193" Possibly type 5.4 http://www.fsrcoin.com/palembang.html Of very low value, apparently these unholed coins (pitis bountou) were traded in standardized boxes of 250 or 500 coins, and 16 boxes equal to one Spanish Eight Real coin. I'll study the other 5 pitis and possibly draw on others knowledge of this type to attribute some or all of them. More pics to follow on another day. Cheers TT * Moved by Staff moved to a more appropriate forum. * The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient. Edited by ttkoo 01/05/2023 12:12 am Report this Post to the Staff

owatchman Pillar of the Community United States 1494 Posts	Posted 01/05/2023 12:22 am Fascinating. Thanks for the link. Report this Post to the Staff
ttkoo Pillar of the Community Australia 2533 Posts	Posted 01/05/2023 02:22 am The next is a pitis teboh (central hole). 20mm dia - 1.06 grams As far as I can tell it is a type 11, which the reference material shows as undated, yet I'm fairly certain the date is quite visible as AH1212. This would fall again within the reign of Muhammad Budarin, yet the reference material puts it into the next sultan, Mahmud Badaruddin II (1804-21), AH1219=1804, "Masruf fi bilad Palembang 1219. My two questions are 1. Is the date that I am seeing not a date? 2. Reading through the reference material, it is apparent that bungled dates were quite the norm. On example type 11.5, the date(?) is clearly IMO 1222. which would equate to around 1807, within Mahmud Badaruddin II's reign. As this is a variation of the same coin type 11, could 11 and the others with 1212 be dated incorrectly? Hope that makes sense. Hopefully someone has already tackled this and will know the answer. More pics to follow some other time. The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient. Report this Post to the Staff
ttkoo Pillar of the Community Australia 2533 Posts	Posted 01/05/2023 11:03 pm This third example is another piti teboh (central hole) Octagonal, 18.0mm AF 1.06 grams Mahmud Badaruddin II (1804-21), AH1219 Retrogade of Robinson Type 10.? I believe this to be a contemporary counterfeit, which IMO is neither here nor there, as multitudes of the horde of coins used to compile Robinson's catalogue were also barbarous variations and obviously used in day to day trading. As stated, an extremely low value coin stacked in boxes of 500, or strung together would undergo little scrutiny when used in the marketplace. This belief is because the inscription on the coin is retrograde. I surmise, and please correct me if this is not the case, that an original coin (or indeed a copy), and not a die, was used to create the mold, thus everything is mirrored. However, I can't find the corresponding coin to attribute it to, and none of the illustrated retrograde examples is a match, so possibly and hopefully I have a rarer counterfeit example here. Any feedback on this would be appreciated. The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient. Report this Post to the Staff
Albert Pillar of the Community United States 1915 Posts	Posted 01/05/2023 11:44 pm Use care. I've seen these fractured and broken. I think mine may be cracked. Or some that I did have and sold were nearly broken. Report this Post to the Staff
ttkoo Pillar of the Community Australia 2533 Posts	Posted 01/06/2023 02:09 am Quote: Use care. I've seen these fractured and broken. Thanks for the heads up Albert. Yes, one of the smaller diameter piti teboh's is cracked but still together. I have it encased in a 2x2, so it should remain in one piece....with care! I have some more coming from an auction. I really enjoy these, plenty to investigate, and cheap as chips! The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient. Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2881 Posts	Posted 01/07/2023 07:10 am I must keep an eye on this thread as I got a bag of about a hundred of these things about 20 years and still haven't got round to looking at them closely. From an initial inspection quality control looks to have been somewhat suspect. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
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