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I have a 1939 5 francs (i think) from France. I cannot seem to find it in my Krause and was hoping that someone could give me a little information and possibly a grade? (Photos are taken through 2x2 so they seem a little blurred/worn) I have no others to compare it to for grading purposes. Thanks for any help Malissa  |
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Belgium KM#120 Obv Legend in Dutch F - $0.15 VF - $0.25 Page 170 in 33rd Edition  |
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KM#120 is the 1 Franc. This will be KM#116.2, KM#117.1, KM#117.2 or KM#117.3 depending on the edge lettering.
Can you read around the edge, including crowns and or stars etc?
Makes a big difference to value. Anywhere from $3 to $2000 in XF
I would say the grade of yours is XF. Alittle tough to tell from the pics but the design of these coins is never overly sharp and I can see very little wear to the lion's mane.
There seems to be lustre, especially on the reverse photo. What is the green patch? Is that on the holder?
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03/04/2009 02:43 am
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Oops  Kinda missed that one didn't I |
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One of the good things about this forum. You know someone else is there to watch your back.
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 I have a few of thee coins and remember having a headache trying to figure out which ones I had. That's why I jumped on this quickly but I went and read the wrong one |
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Just a bit of additional information: at the time this coin was issued, Belgium consisted of 9 provinces (in 1995 Belgium became a federal state and the province of Brabant split up in the province of Flemish Brabant, the province of Walloon Brabant and the Capital District of Brussels).
On the 5 franc coin the shields of 3 of these provinces are shown: upper: province of Brabant, lower left: province of Antwerp, lower right: province of Liege.
3 other shields are shown on the 1 franc : West-Flanders, Namur and Limbourg.
A 50 centimes coin was also planned (with the shields of Hainaut, East-Flanders and the Belgian province of Luxemburg), but due to the beginning of World War II, this coin was never struck. (patterns exist)
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Thank you for all the information. I have not yet removed this from the 2x2 but it does seem to have some type of lettering to it. I will have to remove the 2x2 to see it properly I think. As for the green patch that is on the coin not the holder.
Once it is out of the holder I will get some better pics of it and also will let you know what the edge says.
thanks again
malissa
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So I finally got some more pictures taken, but was unable to get any clear shots of the lettering but it seems to say belgie and then belgique. (dutch?) Also, I found the listings for the 1939 5 franc in krause but it has all different types for this year and I cant figure out what I have. Position A, Position B? Position of what? Also, it says with star or with crown. I dont see either anywhere. Where am I supposed to be looking? Please help me!      Edited by malissadawn
03/05/2009 11:22 pm
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Hi Malissa, yes I am a little confused about the whole position thing. Maybe Bart can help on that one. Looking at the larger scans I would say it is more like VF for grade.
The stars and crowns appear in the edge lettering. Since you's definitely has edge lettering we can rule out KM#117.3 If it has a crown in the lettering it is 117.1 The position does not seem to make much any difference to the value, but I am not sure to what it refers.
If it has a star then it is really confusing as there seems to be no difference between 116.2 and 117.2 apart from the values. Which are higher in my Krause.
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It is quite the tricky one thats for sure. As for star or crown? where would I look for that? I dont see either anywhere on the coin.
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I assume it is around the edge.
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The positions refer to the way up that the edge lettering is compared to the obverse and reverse.
In other words if you have the obverse facing up when looking at the edge lettering and the lettering is the right way up then that is position B. (See at beginning of Belgium section)
The only other problem is knowing which is the obverse. I think for this coins it is the side with the shields.
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ok so when I put the side with the large lion and date facing down on table. then the lettering on edge is upright. This is starting to make me a little nuts. lol
I went over the whole coin with a 10x magnifying loupe and found no star or crown. It is so confusing.
Was I right in thinking this is the Dutch writing?
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The edge lettering says Belgique-België divided by a crown or a star. You have to search for the crown or star on the edge. (On your picture of the edge I read GIQU of BELGIQUE)
Your coin is indeed the Dutch version: it says BELGIE - BELGIQUE. The French version has BELGIQUE left and BELGIE right.
On Belgian coins you find often the country name in Dutch: België or French: Belgique. Sometimes , as on this coin, you find both. But even then, to keep the balance between Flemish (=Dutch) and French-speaking people, you find a "Dutch" and a "French" version.
Since the introduction of the euro, Belgium has put its country name on some commemorative 2 eurocoins in the 3 official languages of the country: Dutch, French and German (which is spoken by about 70,000 people in the east of the country, at the German border).
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So am I to understand that one of the versions (either Dutch or French) is KM#116 and the other is KM#117?
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