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1983 LMC With Unidentifiable Doubling Effect One The Reverse.

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 Posted 01/07/2023  1:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Let me start out by saying I apologize for seeming to be snippy or ignorant of the rules for posting. That was not my intention.
I was under the impression that questions regarding this aspect of numismatics did not "always" require a complete and full description of the specimen in question.
Having already eliminated the possibility of known examples of DDR, I was simply hoping to get a reasonable explanation for what I was seeing not being influenced by the particular coin in question.
MD was eliminated.
DDD was eliminated.
Split Plating doubling was eliminated.
Post strike damage elinated
Stiff die fill(grease) eliminated.
Before the previous post was locked, makescents offered at least an opinion as to what this was. Called it as an 80's nailed it as an 83. Perhaps he can elaborate on this thread.
If his hunch is correct concerning a sunken reaction in the center of the devices is plausible, how often would this be discernable in a given mintage of year or any other? He says it has never been fully explained to him, just conjecture.
Since it is required to identify the specific coin in question and provide full images for any question, I cuncur.
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1983-LMC-With-Unidentifiable-Doubling-Effect-One-The-Reverse.
1983-LMC-With-Unidentifiable-Doubling-Effect-One-The-Reverse.
1983-LMC-With-Unidentifiable-Doubling-Effect-One-The-Reverse.
1983-LMC-With-Unidentifiable-Doubling-Effect-One-The-Reverse.
A decerning eye will notice that this is not the same coin in the locked post. It is another just like the original pulled from about a 150 83's.
Jeez ya'll, I'm just trying to learn here
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 Posted 01/07/2023  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These devices are normal sized. The tops of the devices are showing a rub on the tops of the devices.
1983-LMC-With-Unidentifiable-Doubling-Effect-One-The-Reverse.
1983-LMC-With-Unidentifiable-Doubling-Effect-One-The-Reverse.
1983-LMC-With-Unidentifiable-Doubling-Effect-One-The-Reverse.
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On the DDR, there is a spread present to show it is a hub/die issue. On your coin it is a slight circulation on your coin. Your coin is not showing spread on that area.
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 Posted 01/07/2023  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Coop for your reply. As I stated, I know it is not a DDR. What do you mean by a circulation? I do not understand. In your vast catalog you must have a similar example of this illusion somewhere. I just want to know what causes this effect in order to recognize it for what it is in the future and be able to call it something, as insignificant as it may be. There is a term for everything else,what is the term for this recurring anomaly.
If the locked thread is still accessible, you will see the same effect on a different coin.
Curiosity shall indeed kill the cat here I suppose.
Thanks.
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Link to locked thread for reference:

http://goccf.com/t/437933

We are all good @dow. Thx.
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Back atcha Spence. Thanks.
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 Posted 01/08/2023  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The devices on a coin are wider on the tops and than on the bottoms of the devices. (if not, then the coins would not release from the dies) The top is thinner and contact can leave marks on the center of the devices. That is what you are seeing on your coin. It looks like a spread on the center, but the devices are not show spread, enlarging of the devices. Without the spread, the die is a normal die. The coins if affected on the tops are just show contact from circulation.
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